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    Hi,

    What is the appropriate usage of groundless and in which contexts can it be used?

    Is this usage of Groundless appropriate?

    It is groundless to work on your language and accent skills, if you are not willing to apply for the post of a trainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    Hi,

    What is the appropriate usage of groundless and in which contexts can it be used?

    Is this usage of Groundless appropriate?

    It is groundless to work on your language and accent skills, if you are not willing to apply for the post of a trainer.

    Thanks

    I think this is an incorrect use of the word "groundless."

    "Groundless" means "baseless" -- in the sense of "unsupported by empirical evidence."
    - "The charges against the husband proved to be groundless."
    - "Groundless speculations do not solve scientific dilemmas."

    The sentence you suggested needs the word "pointless," not "groundless."

    - "It is POINTLESS to work on your language and accent skills if you are not willing to apply for the post of trainer."
    (NOTE: No comma after "skills" and no "a" before "trainer')

    POINTLESS refers to futile acts, wasted effort, or meaningless activity -- effort that lacks a point or purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann1977 View Post
    I think this is an incorrect use of the word "groundless."

    "Groundless" means "baseless" -- in the sense of "unsupported by empirical evidence."
    - "The charges against the husband proved to be groundless."
    - "Groundless speculations do not solve scientific dilemmas."

    The sentence you suggested needs the word "pointless," not "groundless."

    - "It is POINTLESS to work on your language and accent skills if you are not willing to apply for the post of trainer."
    (NOTE: No comma after "skills" and no "a" before "trainer')

    POINTLESS refers to futile acts, wasted effort, or meaningless activity -- effort that lacks a point or purpose.
    Thanks for those corrections..

    I think even useless can be used instead of groundless, am I correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    Thanks for those corrections..

    I think even useless can be used instead of groundless, am I correct?
    Yes, that's right.

    Using "useless" instead of "pointless" would render the sentence meaningful -- and with the meaning quite intact.

    But there may be some subtle shift in meaning between "useless" and "pointless."

    Using "useless" stresses the non-utility of the act -- it will have no useful outcome.

    Saying "pointless" stresses its senselessness -- it has no purpose or function.

    It is "useless" to try to earn money by working from home, but it is not exactly "pointless."

    But really, there is such a small difference between them that if they were spoken in rapid succession to refer to the same event, no one would even notice.

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    Hmmm. "no useful outcome" and "no purpose and function", I am kinda slightly flustered, but as you said the difference is subtle. Thanks again for your detailed reply and taking the pain to elaborate the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    Hmmm. "no useful outcome" and "no purpose and function", I am kinda slightly flustered, but as you said the difference is subtle. Thanks again for your detailed reply and taking the pain to elaborate the difference.
    LOL! Yes, it is easier to think of cases where the meanings overlap than it is to think of cases where there is a difference.

    I think useless means "hopeless" whereas pointless means "meaningless."

    NOW there is a difference -- the difference between "hopeless" and "meaningless."

    But you do have to go to the extremes of their "meaning maps" to reach that much difference!

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