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    Hi,

    What do we mean by retroflex consonants, what are they?

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    Default Re: Retroflex Consonants

    Quote Originally Posted by xpert View Post
    Thus english have retroflex consonants?
    Are plosives retroflex??

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    Default Re: Retroflex Consonants

    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    Thus Does Eenglish have retroflex consonants?
    No, but speakers of Indian English often make their /t/ and /d/ retroflex. As most if not all speakers of that national variety do the same thing, one can hardly call it a mistake.
    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    Are plosives retroflex??
    Wrong way round! Some plosives can be retroflex. But if you're asking 'Are all retroflex consonants plosives too' I think so; although some language I don't know of may have, say, a lateral that is modified by a curling up of the tongue - so I couldn't say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    No, but speakers of Indian English often make their /t/ and /d/ retroflex. As most if not all speakers of that national variety do the same thing, one can hardly call it a mistake.
    Wrong way round! Some plosives can be retroflex. But if you're asking 'Are all retroflex consonants plosives too' I think so; although some language I don't know of may have, say, a lateral that is modified by a curling up of the tongue - so I couldn't say for sure.

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    In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives.
    ट ठ ..... ड ढ
    T Th ..........D Dh

    There are no retroflex consonants in standard English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives.
    ट ठ ..... ड ढ
    T Th ..........D Dh

    There are no retroflex consonants in standard English.
    Yes ठ and ढ are plosive and unvoiced...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives.
    ट ठ ..... ड ढ
    T Th ..........D Dh

    There are no retroflex consonants in standard English.
    It was the idea of laterals that misled me - and that 'ain't nobody's fault but mine' . I didin't know the Hindi ones, but I should have thought that fricatives could be retroflex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    It was the idea of laterals that misled me - and that 'ain't nobody's fault but mine' . I didin't know the Hindi ones, but I should have thought that fricatives could be retroflex.

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    Fricatives can be retroflex - I have no idea about Hindi, but I believe they occur in Mandarin Chinese.

    I think retroflex "t" can occur phonetically in English, in certain pronunciations of the "tr" cluster. But this would of course be purely allophonic.

    (Disclaimer: I am not an expert on phonetics)

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    Fricatives can be retroflex ...
    Yes, that's what I said. I should have realized that 'should have thought' was ambiguous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Yes, that's what I said. I should have realized that 'should have thought' was ambiguous.

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    Sorry, I just read your previous post out of context.

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