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    Please, could you help me to correct this paragraph?

    The study of the city of Orizaba allows us to identify the transformations of the political organization of the Hispanic world during 18th and 19th centuries. It shows us first of all that the monarchy used political concepts such as "police" and "republic", profoundly marked by the seal of the Catholicism, to exercise its power. Then, that the responsibility of the local order was widely shared as well by the civil and religious corporations. Finally, after the monarchic crisis and the independence, we can notice the increasing presence of the State confronted with the progressive concentration of the control of local order by the new constitutional municipality. The first one based himself on a new conception of the " public cause ", whereas the municipality justified its power in the traditional public utility.

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    The study of the city of Orizaba allows us to identify the transformations of the political organization of the Hispanic world during 18th and 19th centuries.
    This study identifies the transformations of the political organization of the Hispanic world during the 18th and 19th centuries.

    It shows us first of all that the monarchy used political concepts such as "police" and "republic", profoundly marked by the seal of the Catholicism, to exercise its power.
    Initially the monarchy used political concepts such as police and republic -- stamped with the seal of Catholicism -- to exercise its power.

    Then, that the responsibility of the local order was widely shared as well by the civil and religious corporations.
    The next development was the sharing of responsibility for local order by civil and religious authorities.

    Finally, after the monarchic crisis and the independence, we can notice the increasing presence of the State confronted with the progressive concentration of the control of local order by the new constitutional municipality.
    Finally, following the monarchic crisis and Independence,
    (I did not understand the rest of this passage)

    The first one based himself on a new conception of the " public cause ", whereas the municipality justified its power in the traditional public utility.
    (I did not understand this part)



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    Thanks a lot for your answer, this is what I need to translate

    L’étude de la ville d’Orizaba nous permet de repérer les transformations de l’organisation politique du monde hispanique au cours du XVIIIe et XIXe siècles. Il nous montre tout d’abord comment la monarchie se servait de concepts politiques tels que « police » et « république », profondément marqués par le sceau de la catholicité, pour exercer son pouvoir. Ensuite, que la responsabilité du maintien de l’ordre local était largement partagée aussi bien par les corporations civiles que par les religieuses. Enfin, après la crise monarchique et l’indépendance, nous pouvons constater la présence croissante de l’État confronté à la concentration progressive du contrôle de l’ordre public par la nouvelle municipalité constitutionnelle. Le premier se fondait sur une nouvelle conception de la « cause publique », tandis que la municipalité justifiait son pouvoir dans l’utilité publique traditionnelle.
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    An examination of the city of Orizaba allows us to identify transformations in the political economy of the Hispanic world during the 18th and 19th centuries. First, this investigation reveals the way in which the monarchy utilised political concepts such as policing and republicanism, in a manner deeply influenced by its allegiance with Catholicism, to exercise power. Following this, the study finds that maintaining order in the city was generaly shared by civic and religious organisations. Finally, we observe that after the crisis of the monarch and ultimate independence, the State finds itself increasingly confronted with the new constitutional municipality over control of local public order. The former grounded itself in a new conception of the public interest while the latter justified its power with traditional concepts of the greater good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidclopez View Post
    Thanks a lot for your answer, this is what I need to translate

    L’étude de la ville d’Orizaba nous permet de repérer les transformations de l’organisation politique du monde hispanique au cours du XVIIIe et XIXe siècles. Il nous montre tout d’abord comment la monarchie se servait de concepts politiques tels que « police » et « république », profondément marqués par le sceau de la catholicité, pour exercer son pouvoir. Ensuite, que la responsabilité du maintien de l’ordre local était largement partagée aussi bien par les corporations civiles que par les religieuses. Enfin, après la crise monarchique et l’indépendance, nous pouvons constater la présence croissante de l’État confronté à la concentration progressive du contrôle de l’ordre public par la nouvelle municipalité constitutionnelle. Le premier se fondait sur une nouvelle conception de la « cause publique », tandis que la municipalité justifiait son pouvoir dans l’utilité publique traditionnelle.
    Well, this is what I got out of this passage:

    The study of the city of Orizaba allows us to identify the transformations of the political organization of the Hispanic world during 18th and 19th centuries.
    This study of the city of Orizaba identifies the transformations of the political organization of the Hispanic world during the 18th and 19th centuries.

    It shows us first of all that the monarchy used political concepts such as "police" and "republic", profoundly marked by the seal of the Catholicism, to exercise its power.
    Initially the monarchy used political concepts such as policing and republicanism -- deeply stamped with the seal of Catholicism -- to exercise its power.

    Then, that the responsibility of the local order was widely shared as well by the civil and religious corporations.
    The next development was the sharing of the Monarchy's responsibility for local order with civil and religious authorities.

    Finally, after the monarchic crisis and the independence, we can notice the increasing presence of the State confronted with the progressive concentration of the control of local order by the new constitutional municipality.
    Finally, following the monarchic crisis and Independence, the State was increasingly confronted with a progressive concentration of the control of local order in the new Constitutional Municipality.

    The first one based himself on a new conception of the " public cause ", whereas the municipality justified its power in the traditional public utility.
    The former based its power on a new conception of the "public cause," whereas the municipality justified its power based on the traditional "public good."



    There are many native speakers of European languages here
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    They have translated passages for me from time to time. I think you should post the original French there and beseech them for a translation.

    Or even better, maybe you should just go with konungursvia.

    Best wishes!
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    Thanks a lot! I see that it's not easy to translate the vocabulary of 18th century hispanic world.

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