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    Default Is "much more machines" wrong?

    Q. Miranda's speech ranged over (A)many topics, but (B)its predominant subject (C)was the need for (D)much more vending machines in the student lounge.

    The above exercise is which of the choices are NOT correct gramatically?
    I have chosen "B", but OA was "D" because, according to the explanation of OA, "much" cannot be connected a countable noun, or plural noun "machines" mentioned. However, I think that "much" is connected with not "machines" but "more", and "much" can modify the comparative degree "more".
    Am I wrong? What do you say of that?

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    Default Re: Is "much more machines" wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ilovepsycho View Post
    Q. Miranda's speech ranged over (A)many topics, but (B)its predominant subject (C)was the need for (D)much more vending machines in the student lounge.

    The above exercise is which of the choices are NOT correct gramatically?
    I have chosen "B", but OA was "D" because, according to the explanation of OA, "much" cannot be connected a countable noun, or plural noun "machines" mentioned. However, I think that "much" is connected with not "machines" but "more", and "much" can modify the comparative degree "more".
    Am I wrong? What do you say of that?
    The answer key is correct, "much more" is used for uncountable nouns you could say, "We need much more beer in the student lounge" but "We need more/many more/ a lot more vending machines".

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    Default Re: Is "much more machines" wrong?

    But I'll add a response to your specific question:
    Quote Originally Posted by ilovepsycho View Post
    ...However, I think that "much" is connected with not "machines" but "more", and "much" can modify the comparative degree "more".
    Am I wrong? ...
    I see what you're saying about 'much' intensifying 'more'. But as there is a countable noun after 'more' we know that it is a countable sort of 'more' (5 or 10 more, rather than gallons more!). So we have to use 'many' to intensify it.

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    Default Re: Is "much more machines" wrong?

    Wow, that's sort of interesting, because I have been taught that "much" can modify the comparative degree 'more', etc, but I have never heard that "much" is influenced by the noun that follow the comparative degree.
    Thanks for your explanations!

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    Default Re: Is "much more machines" wrong?

    Yes, if you're in a restauarant and the waiter is putting pepper on your salad, you can say "more... much more..." in the way you're thinking. But when these modify a countable noun, as the gentlemen say, we use many or fewer rather than more or less.

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