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    Default Comma before including?

    Do I need a comma between 'everything else' and 'including;? It's a verb but I feel it's a comma splice

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    I became so flabberghasted that I missed everything else including the verdict that our team had won the competition.

    Or this:
    I became so flabberghasted that I missed everything else, including the verdict that our team had won the competition.

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    Default Re: Comma before including?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses View Post
    Do I need a comma between 'everything else' and 'including;? It's a verb but I feel it's a comma splice

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    I became so flabberghasted that I missed everything else including the verdict that our team had won the competition.

    Or this:
    I became so flabberghasted that I missed everything else, including the verdict that our team had won the competition.
    no comma, preposition

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    Default Re: Comma before including?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses View Post
    Do I need a comma between 'everything else' and 'including;? It's a verb but I feel it's a comma splice

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    I became so flabberghasted that I missed everything else including the verdict that our team had won the competition.

    Or this:
    I became so flabberghasted that I missed everything else, including the verdict that our team had won the competition.
    The comma is fine.

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    Default Re: Comma before including?

    including - Definition from Longman English Dictionary Online

    A preposition preceded by a comma? Preps are links that relate their complements to preceding structures. Why separate the linked parts by a comma? Mystery to me.
    Last edited by Kondorosi; 13-Dec-2009 at 19:36.

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    Default Re: Comma before including?

    This is what I found:

    The six-mile trail ride, held three or four times a week, costs $5, including breakfast. -- The fact that breakfast is included in the price is emphasized

    The six-mile trail ride, held three or four times a week, costs $5 including breakfast -- the no-comma version says how much you pay if you choose to have breakfast, as opposed to how much you pay if you choose not to have breakfast

    If the information expressed in the prepositional object is needed for the full meaning of the sentence, no comma is applied.

    In "I became so flabberghasted that I missed everything else including the verdict that our team had won the competition," the comma is needed, because "everything else" already includes "the verdict that... ."
    Last edited by Kondorosi; 13-Dec-2009 at 20:07.

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    Default Re: Comma before including?

    Yeah I thought we could close pieces of information or clauses off even if it's a preposition just not a verb or else it becomes a comma splice.

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