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    Default number concord with quantifying determinerss

    One of a handful of companies (to have) gone to the wall.

    The task is: Diagram the sentence with the right form of (to have).

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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    "has"
    The subject is "one". The plural is within a prepositional phrase, which is a modifier.
    Right?
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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    "has"
    The subject is "one".
    A group of candidates are waiting in the hall. -- What is the number of the subject in this sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    The plural is within a prepositional phrase, which is a modifier.
    Right?
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    That is right, but it is the same with
    A handful of candidates
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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    There are two prepositional phrases there. The second modifies "handful". In any case, what is within the prepositional phrases is irrelevant. The subject is singular.
    (I'm back in school, and doing all right.)
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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    There are two prepositional phrases there. The second modifies "handful".
    One of a handful of companies (to have) gone to the wall.
    Is it not the other way around: handful modifies companies?

    one of the not too many companies = one of the handful of companies

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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    Well, it appears very simple to me that the prepositional phrase "of companies" is modifying the object of the preposition in "of a handful" which is modifying the pronoun (acting as simple subject) "one".
    When I was a kid in school, we had exercises like this and it seemed very logical to me that the subject -- not its modifiers -- determined number.
    In a sentence like "The group of students is excited" the question is a little trickier, but I would still say, "singular".

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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    Notional concord?

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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    I am not familiar with that term.
    What makes it more complicated is that "group" is a "collective noun". Still, there is only one group.
    Incidentally here across the Atlantic we call "concord" "agreement".
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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    This is how I feel comfortable with the diagram:



    'handful of' is a phrasal preposition

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    Default Re: number concord with quantifying determinerss

    I disagree with the "handful" part. A say it is a noun, the object of the preposition "of" and modified by "a". It, the word "handful", is in turn modified by the prepositional phrase "of companies" What kind of "one"? What kind of "handful". Both prepositions are adjectival.
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