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    Hello everyone.i have been revising phonetics and i noticed that i didn't know how to transcribe some categories.For instance the first:when we have words like , story's ;week's..and how to transribe the verbs that already ends with"i" or "y" and we add the "ing" for instance;buying .trying ;displaying; plz if any one that can make me undrestand thanks

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    Re: phonetic transcription

    In both cases just add the sounds to the words. The apostrophe doesn't make any difference :/stɔ:.ri:z/ /wi:ks/ and the y doesn't usually become a full /j/ sound: /traɪ.ɪŋ/

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    Re: phonetic transcription

    Quote Originally Posted by saddouda View Post
    Hello everyone.i have been revising phonetics and i noticed that i didn't know how to transcribe some categories.For instance the first:when we have words like , story's ;week's..and how to transribe the verbs that already ends with"i" or "y" and we add the "ing" for instance;buying .trying ;displaying; plz if any one that can make me undrestand thanks
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    I'm not sure I understand your problem, but I'll try. If it's wrong, then please clarify what it is you have trouble with.

    The first seems like you are asking about making words into plural/genitive case. In English, there are three plural sounds (I think this would apply to genitive case too, but I'm not 100% sure), these are /s/, /z/, and /ɪz/.

    Which one you use depends on the phoneme before it.

    If the last phoneme is voiceless, use /s/:

    Week is /wi:k/. The /k/ is voiceless and so the plural/genitive is /s/. Week's = /wi:ks/.

    If the last phoneme is voiced, use /z/:

    Story is /ˈstɔ:ri/. The /i/ is voiced and so the plural/genitive is /z/. Story's = /ˈstɔ:riz/

    If the last phoneme is an alveolar fricative - /s/ or /z/ - then use /ɪz/:

    House is /haʊs/. The /s/ is an alveolar fricative - /s/ and so the plural/genitive is /ɪz/. House's = /haʊsɪz/.

    I hope that clears up that problem. If this wasn't your problem, state again what it is, and I'll try to help


    The second problem, I feel, is more complicated. You mean whether buy - /baɪ/ - becomes simply /'baɪɪŋ/, or whether you add the approximant /j/ to get /'baɪjɪŋ/.

    Personally, I would transcribe it as /'baɪɪŋ/. The IPA gives a symbol - /./ - for splitting syllables if it is appropriate, and it may be appropriate here, thus - /'baɪ.ɪŋ/ - just to make it clear that these are two distinct syllables.

    Do not be afraid of putting two vowels together over syllable boundaries in phonetics. If this is what is being said, then it is correct! The same thing happens in words like vehicle - /vi:ɪkl/.

    I hope this answers your questions.
    Last edited by Linguist__; 23-Dec-2009 at 16:41. Reason: Problem with formatting. Also Raymott's observation below

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    Re: phonetic transcription

    Story is /ˈstɔ:rɪ/.
    Is this a typo? The 'y' at the end of words like story, city, happy ...
    is usually transcribed as /i/ not /I/.

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    Re: phonetic transcription

    Ah yes, I was listening to my own pronunciation to transcribe.

    Edited the original post to correct this.

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    Re: phonetic transcription

    thank you

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    Re: phonetic transcription

    it serves me a looooooooot

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    thats really gooooooood

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    Re: phonetic transcription

    I think Tidol is right. The sounds are not always reflected well by the spelling -- at least in English.
    As I understand a phonetic transcription, you must only represent the sounds.
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    Re: phonetic transcription

    thanks all for your replies it was helpful really , and actually yeah you got me right , i was confused whether i should write 2 I right after each other or should i use the long i: since its II ....
    and for the first one i didnt know if we should consider it as the "s" of the prular or something else
    thanks so much

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