Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 16
  1. #1
    kenic is offline Newbie
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like

    Post Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    My daughter, currently a high school English teacher, asked me, a long-ago high school English teacher, to check the correctness of two sentences. I wanted to resort to diagramming them, then realized I no longer knew how to. In fact, I didn't know how to write the second sentence correctly!

    1) "The two sculptors I have studied are he and Alexander Caulder."
    I could affirm the correctness of the usage (assuming the "he" refers to a male sculptor mentioned earlier). But how do I diagram the sentence?

    2) "The sundial, or sun clock, is one of the oldest type of clock."
    This time I was stumped all across the sentence!
    Is it "oldest" or "older"?
    Is it "type" or "types"?
    Is it "clock" or "clocks"?
    Or are there two or three correct options?

    I see this as an equivalent sentence: "The golden retriever, or golden lab, is one of the sweetest breed of dog."
    Should it be "sweeter"?
    Should it be "breeds"?
    Should it be "dogs"?

    And how do I diagram the sentence?

    Thank you, anyone who can help.

  2. #2
    Frank Antonson's Avatar
    Frank Antonson is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    1,151
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenic View Post
    My daughter, currently a high school English teacher, asked me, a long-ago high school English teacher, to check the correctness of two sentences. I wanted to resort to diagramming them, then realized I no longer knew how to. In fact, I didn't know how to write the second sentence correctly!

    1) "The two sculptors I have studied are he and Alexander Caulder."
    I could affirm the correctness of the usage (assuming the "he" refers to a male sculptor mentioned earlier). But how do I diagram the sentence?

    2) "The sundial, or sun clock, is one of the oldest type of clock."
    This time I was stumped all across the sentence!
    Is it "oldest" or "older"?
    Is it "type" or "types"?
    Is it "clock" or "clocks"?
    Or are there two or three correct options?

    I see this as an equivalent sentence: "The golden retriever, or golden lab, is one of the sweetest breed of dog."
    Should it be "sweeter"?
    Should it be "breeds"?
    Should it be "dogs"?

    And how do I diagram the sentence?

    Thank you, anyone who can help.
    ...one of the oldest types of clock.
    ...one of the sweetest breeds of dog
    The last words could also probably be used as plurals.
    I'll leave the diagram to Kondorosi. He's really good at it.
    Linguist Farmer

  3. #3
    Kondorosi is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    966
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    He's really good at it.
    Really?


  4. #4
    Frank Antonson's Avatar
    Frank Antonson is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    1,151
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    Dear Kondorosi,
    I agree with your first sentence.
    In the second one, however, I think "one" is the predicate nominative, modified by a prepositional phrase whose object "types" is in turn modified by the prepositional phrase "of clocks".
    lf

  5. #5
    Frank Antonson's Avatar
    Frank Antonson is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    1,151
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    I think you did fine with "or". I guess I might have put if up on a base line of its own as a sort of "function word" (as you might put "that" in a noun clause) and connected it with a vertical dashed line.
    Regarding the prepositional phrases, however, I am not with you.

    As you might have guessed, I am, once again, home from school. After all there was only one more day until vacation. Having a fractured hip AND a cold seemed reason enough for me.

  6. #6
    Frank Antonson's Avatar
    Frank Antonson is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    1,151
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    Taking a chance, I am going to say that I think you may be "prepositional phrasedly" challenged. But, to balance it out, I suffer from "diagram envy".
    My daughter will be home over the holidays, and I intend to enlist her help in bringing me up to speed on diagramming with a computer -- and posting said diagrams on this site.
    lf

  7. #7
    Frank Antonson's Avatar
    Frank Antonson is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    1,151
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    "Diagram envy" is an entirely new phrase which I have coined. I think there are a whole host of such " ... envy" phrases, but they all come from Sigmund Freud's "penis envy". You know, like, someone can play the piano better than you, so you have "pianist envy".
    lf
    Yes, Erica is good with computers. My son is too, but, like a son, is not as willingly helpful with his father's passions.
    lf

  8. #8
    Kondorosi is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    966
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    Hello Frank,

    I am playing with the NP in red bold

    The sundial, or sun clock, is [(one (of the oldest)) (type of)] clock. 'clock' is the head.



    (one (of the oldest)) (type) (of clock) -- 'type' is the head



    one ((of the oldest type) of clock) -- 'one' as the head



    You like the third diagram; I like the second and the first. I like the first most.

  9. #9
    Kondorosi is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    966
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    A little bit of light relief from the dullness of diagramming:

    YouTube - Nagyon durva braketánc

    Watch from 0:44. Ultrabrutality!

  10. #10
    Frank Antonson's Avatar
    Frank Antonson is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    1,151
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Can someone help us diagram two sentences?

    Yes, you are right. I like the third one best. I can't even relate to the others. The object of a preposition must be a noun, or something noun-like.
    That first one has me wondering what new book you are reading.

    Pretty good dancer -- that second guy on Youtube.

    My daughter is home and I am going to see if she can help me diagram better.

    What "dullness" of diagramming?!
    lf

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Example Sentences for English Words
    By sonicstaars in forum General Language Discussions
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 05-May-2010, 02:44
  2. The sentences above/below are correct
    By user_gary in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 07-Jun-2009, 08:12
  3. Are sentences correct?
    By kohyoongliat in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 29-May-2007, 10:41
  4. coordinated sentences
    By rezaa in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 02-May-2007, 10:45
  5. could you take a look at my sentences? phrasal verbs
    By forum_mail in forum English Phrasal Verbs
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 22-Apr-2007, 20:41

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Hotchalk