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    Default Christmas(') Eve ?

    Why is it "Christmas Eve" and not "Christmas' Eve" ? It's also "New Year's Eve", or not ?

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    Is this a bridge too far ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2004 View Post
    Why is it "Christmas Eve" and not "Christmas' Eve" ? It's also "New Year's Eve", or not ?
    Christmas is a noun, Eve is also a noun both are joined to form the composite word Christmas eve which is also a noun having dictionary meaning. Similar other composite words are: Christmas dinner, Christmas cake, Christmas card, Christmas tree
    You can say Christmas's Eve, but why take the trouble when there exists a specific word. New year’s Eve is correct, because it is a composite word but not New year Eve

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    Default Re: Christmas(') Eve ?

    And to add to this assortment, most people write the festival/holiday/celebration on the 31st October as Halloween, when it is really Hallowe'en, coming from 'All-Hallows-Even'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    Christmas is a noun, Eve is also a noun both are joined to form the composite word Christmas eve which is also a noun having dictionary meaning. Similar other composite words are: Christmas dinner, Christmas cake, Christmas card, Christmas tree
    You can say Christmas's Eve, but why take the trouble when there exists a specific word. New year’s Eve is correct, because it is a composite word but not New year Eve
    sarat: Could you please explain in detail why it is New year's day, not New year day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayan12 View Post
    sarat: Could you please explain in detail why it is New year's day, not New year day.

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    New Year’s Day = Ist January, the first day of the year (dictionary meaning). It is used as a composite word even before 15th century but I have no idea about its exact origin, must be fairly old, since it has a place in any dictionary.
    Otherwise, grammatically also, the ‘s with apostrophe indicates, the first day belonging to the year, as: National Children’s day (on 14 November every year), International Women's Day (on March 8 every year)
    The words New year day are not grammatically connected.
    Last edited by sarat_106; 29-Dec-2009 at 09:52.

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    Default Re: Christmas(') Eve ?

    I think it's a nice observation. To me, it should be Christmas' Eve as well as Christmas' Day - It is the eve of Christmas, and the day of Christmas; where Christmas is a festival/celebration. However, it simply doesn't use the apostrophe. Perhaps I'll start using it, the same way I make a point to write Hallowe'en.

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    Default Re: Christmas(') Eve ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    New Year’s Day = Ist January, the first day of the year (dictionary meaning). It is used as a composite word even before 15th century but I have no idea about its exact origin, must be fairly old, since it has a place in any dictionary.
    Otherwise, grammatically also, the ‘s with apostrophe indicates, the first day belonging to the year, as: National Children’s day (on 14 November every year), International Women's Day (on March 8 every year)
    The words New year day are not grammatically connected.

    Thank you Sarat :)

    How are you going to celebrate New year's day?

    Should it be Diwali's day celebration and Pongal's day celebration.?

    Note: Diwali and Pongal are two famous festivals in India.
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    Default Re: Christmas(') Eve ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jayan12 View Post
    sarat: Could you please explain in detail why it is New year's day, not New year day.

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    Hi!

    An apostrophe is used in time expressions:

    in two weeks' time; a today's paper; a tomorrow's forecast; ten hours' delay, so New Year's Day, New Year's Eve are not an exception.

    See: The New Penguin English Dictionary 2000 edition.
    Last edited by omasta; 01-Jan-2010 at 00:59.

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