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    hi ...
    can u plz help me to anaylis this sentenses ..

    ( Next Sunday it will rain, so we won’t go to the park until it quits. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariam89 View Post
    hi ...
    can u plz help me to anaylis this sentenses ..

    ( Next Sunday it will rain, so we won’t go to the park until it quits. )
    Well, I analyse sentences with Reed-Kellogg diagrams, but let me say at least this.
    You have a compound complex sentence, joined by "so". Within the second clause there is a subordinate (adverb) clause joined to the independent clause by "until".
    You probably need the British system, at which I am not very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariam89 View Post
    hi ...
    can u plz help me to anaylis this sentenses ..

    ( Next Sunday it will rain, so we won’t go to the park until it quits. )
    This is a complex-compound sentence with two independent clauses joined by a coordinating conjunction (so) and one subordinate clause (introduced by until) that is anchored to the second independent clause.


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    Nice work, Kondorosi!
    I 'm not sure if "it" needs to be elevated on a dashed line. I checked House and Harman and they did not cover this situation, although they did have other situations where "it" really had no meaning. In those cases they put "it" on the base line.
    Words put up on on such a line, as "There is no problem" can usually be omitted.

    Somewhere I saw a discussion of expressions like "It is raining" "Il pleut", but I don't remember where.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    Nice work, Kondorosi!
    I 'm not sure if "it" needs to be elevated on a dashed line. I checked House and Harman and they did not cover this situation, although they did have other situations where "it" really had no meaning. In those cases they put "it" on the base line.
    Words put up on on such a line, as "There is no problem" can usually be omitted.

    Somewhere I saw a discussion of expressions like "It is raining" "Il pleut", but I don't remember where.
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    I diagram expletive thus. Sorry, Frank, I have to go to . I am brain-dead.

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    good diagram

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    Dear Kondorosi,
    I figured out why I wondered about the "it" in "It is raining". H&H call that a "grammatical subject" that carries no meaning;
    "In Modern English", they say," impersonal verbs have the indefinite pronoun "it" preceding them and serving as the grammatical subject, as in 'It is freezing; It is snowing; It rained yesterday' Observe that the "it"-subject in these sentences has no meaning; its sole function is to announce the impersonal verb which follows it. In an inflected language, such a Latin, the verb would nave no expressed subject; e.g. Lat. "pluit" (it rains)."
    I thought I had read something to that effect. The "It" in "It is a shame" I see as a different case because "shame" being a predicate nominative can work as the subject. In this latter case, I would call "it" an expletive.
    H&H, however, do not show how to diagram "it" as a grammatical subject.
    In any case, I think it is a small matter.
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    soory 4 being late...

    thx guys u really did a great job ...

    my teacher want me to do it by tree !!!!!!!!!!

    oh my god its crazy ...

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    Sorry, I can't help you with a tree.
    I can only offer my sympathies.
    I suspect that your teacher does not know Reed-Kellogg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariam89 View Post
    soory 4 being late...

    thx guys u really did a great job ...

    my teacher want me to do it by tree !!!!!!!!!!

    oh my god its crazy ...
    its easy
    .....Next Sunday it will rain, so we wont go to the park until it quits.
    a-.................................................. .................................................. ..........................
    ................|...............|.....|........|.. .....|....|........|.....|........................ .......|................
    ...........ADVP.........NP....AUX...VP..Conj°..NP. ...AUX..VP.............................PP
    b-.................................................. .................................................. ..........................


    Notice that I have delibeately missed some hierarchical levels of some lexical items( a & b ). I assume that your professor has introduced you to the defects of PSR since we are dealing not with a simple snetence but with a compound-complex one.
    (simply remember the 1st criteria of PSR to complete diagramming your semntence)
    + The rule says not to do others' homeworks, sorry.
    Last edited by Trance Freak; 29-Dec-2009 at 11:45.

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