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    Default Please analyze "found shot dead"

    Would you kindly analyze and (if possible) Reed-Kellogg this sentence: The victim was found shot dead. Thank you very much for helping me better understand English.

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    Default Re: Please analyze "found shot dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    Would you kindly analyze and (if possible) Reed-Kellogg this sentence: The victim was found shot dead. Thank you very much for helping me better understand English.
    "Dead" is the predicate adjective of the participle "shot". "Shot dead" is the predicate adjective of the passive voice simple predicate "was found".

    I think earlier elsewhere in this forum there was a discussion of "He died young".

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    Kondorosi is going to have to diagram it, but before this day is out I want to figure out how to post diagrams here.

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    Default Re: Please analyze "found shot dead"

    Thank you, Linguist Farmer, for your prompt reply. I have been thinking about this all night. May I share my humble thoughts and get your expert evaluation? (1) They shot him dead. ("dead" = objective complement of "him.") (2) He was shot dead. ("dead" = subjective complement of "He.") (3)Therefore, might "He was found shot dead" = something such as: He + was found + to have been shot + dead. (a) was found = copula (b) to have been shot dead = infinitive phrase referring to "He." I can't diagram it here, but there would be a slanting line in front of "dead" to signify its reference to "He." When you get time, could you comment on my humble efforts? Thank you.

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    Default Re: Please analyze "found shot dead"

    "found (to have been) shot"
    "shot (to be) dead"
    He was found (to have been) shot (i.e. caused) (to be) dead.
    Yes, I think I agree with your solution.
    I find that often infinitives of the verb "to be" can be inserted in sentences to clarify what is going on -- especially with objective complements.
    I think there is a class of verbs called causitive, e.g. "The sun made (caused to be) the tomatoes ripe.
    If we can achieve Kondorosi's skill in diagrammin online, this will be easier.
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    Default Re: Please analyze "found shot dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    "found (to have been) shot"
    "shot (to be) dead"
    He was found (to have been) shot (i.e. caused) (to be) dead.
    Yes, I think I agree with your solution.
    I find that often infinitives of the verb "to be" can be inserted in sentences to clarify what is going on -- especially with objective complements.
    I think there is a class of verbs called causitive, e.g. "The sun made (caused to be) the tomatoes ripe.
    If we can achieve Kondorosi's skill in diagrammin online, this will be easier.
    lf
    Thanks a million.

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    Default Re: Please analyze "found shot dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    Thank you, Linguist Farmer, for your prompt reply. I have been thinking about this all night. May I share my humble thoughts and get your expert evaluation? (1) They shot him dead. ("dead" = objective complement of "him.") (2) He was shot dead. ("dead" = subjective complement of "He.") (3)Therefore, might "He was found shot dead" = something such as: He + was found + to have been shot + dead. (a) was found = copula (b) to have been shot dead = infinitive phrase referring to "He." I can't diagram it here, but there would be a slanting line in front of "dead" to signify its reference to "He." When you get time, could you comment on my humble efforts? Thank you.
    My interpretation:

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    Works for me.
    Looks good.
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    Default Re: Please analyze "found shot dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kondorosi View Post
    My interpretation:
    I have read your various posts and know that you invite other viewpoints. (1) I'm pleased that you also considered "was found" as a linking verb. But I have trouble accepting "shot" as the subject complement. Surely, "dead" refers to "He." Furthermore, I find it strange to say that "dead" (an adjective) is put on the so-called "adverb line." If we accept "shot" as the subject complement (an adjective), then you are modifying it with another adjective (dead). Is there the possibility that we are dealing with ellipsis. They found him. He was shot dead. Clearly, "dead" refers to "He." As I suggested to the Linguist Farmer, could it be something like: He was found (to have been shot -- dead). "to have been shot dead" = infinitive phrase that refers to "He" (He to have been shot dead" ("dead" clearly pointing to "He"). Thanks for considering my humble petition.

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    Default Re: Please analyze "found shot dead"

    Well, "dead" can certainly function as an adverb, e.g. "He is dead right."
    HOW "right" is he? "Dead" right.
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    Default Re: Please analyze "found shot dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    Well, "dead" can certainly function as an adverb, e.g. "He is dead right."
    HOW "right" is he? "Dead" right.
    Linguist Farmer
    ***NOT A TEACHER*** Excellent point, Linguist Farmer. But in that sense, "dead" = completely (He is completely right). But surely "He was shot dead" does not mean "He was completely shot." As you said in another post, this IS fun!

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