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    What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    What is the general rule for making or not making the glottal "T" in words like "mountain","Hilton" and "maintenance"?

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    Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    In connected speech, sounds get dropped when it's easier to do so and doesn't affect comprehension. In some regional dialects, like Cockney, it is more marked. I think it's just ease rather following rules.

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    Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    Are you looking for a definition of which "t's" are glottal? If so, the general rule for determining a glottal t is:

    Glottal t:

    Medial "t" after a stressed syllable, preceded by a vowel or a vowel plus "r" and followed by "syllabic n" is pronounced as "glottal t".

    As this sound is similar to "flapped t" it will also be denoted by [đ]. However, there are some characteristic differences in pronunciation between [dṇ] and [đṇ].

    [đṇ] satin [ˈsęđṇ], mountain [ˈmawnđṇ], cotton [ˈkɑđṇ], button [ˈbəđṇ], certain [ˈsərđṇ], important [ɪmˈpɔrđṇt]

    Syllabic n:

    "n" or vowel plus "n" in an unstressed syllable and preceded by "t" or "d" is pronounced as "syllabic n".

    [ṇ] satin [ˈsęđṇ], mountain [ˈmawnđṇ], cotton [ˈkɑđṇ], button [ˈbəđṇ], certain [ˈsərđṇ], important [ɪmˈpɔrđṇt], bu
    rden [ˈbərdṇ], sudden [ˈsədṇ]

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    Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    Which accent are you decribing here?

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    Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    I'm sorry. I should've mentioned American accent.

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    Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    In British English, the glottal, where used, involves removing the sound:

    A glass of wa'er, etc.

    As far as I know of American pronunciation, I'd follow the Mr Mexico's guidlines.

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    Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by amigo
    What is the general rule for making or not making the glottal "T" in words like "mountain","Hilton" and "maintenance"?

    Thank


    Sometimes the "t" is left out of "mountain". If someone is speaking quickly, there's a good chance the "t" will be left out.


    I say the "t" in "Hilton".

    The "t" might be left out in "maintenance" when people speak quickly. It probably is.

    I don't think it's a good idea to say there are any rules to follow here. I think it's better to make observations and consider what guidelines exist.

    I'm speaking for North American accent/pronunciation.

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    Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    Tdol,Central Mexico and X Mode:

    I'll pay attention to how native speakers say it.

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    Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by amigo
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    I'll pay attention to how native speakers say it.

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