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    Where has Kodorosi gone?

    This forum is just not the same without Kondorosi. I hope he reappears soon!

    In the meantime, COMPETITIVE sentence diagramming has resumed with my 14-year-old students. It's weird. They love to compete, but are terrible at it. I must change the second thing.

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    Re: Where has Kodorosi gone?

    Thanks Tidol!

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    Re: Where has Kodorosi gone?

    Hello Frank,

    Those adverbials are killing me. I have realized that all I know about English grammar stands on flimsy legs, which has has blown the winds out of my sails. I am seriously thinking of giving up studying languages. I feel let down, angry, and frustrated. I am in the doldrums now. Maybe I will work up a head of steam and raise from my ashes, but that is not very likely.
    How are 'you, Frank? How is your hip? Ist alles in Ordnung?

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    Re: Where has Kodorosi gone?

    I'm fine, thanks.

    Don't give up. I know of a Shakespearean quote, which I will find, that can support my thought.

    What is the problem with adverbials? Give me an example.

    If you are referring to what are sometimes called "separable prepositions" (separable from the verb), Reed-Kellogg, I think, purposely avoided them when they could, but when they could not, treated them as adverbs.

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    Re: Where has Kodorosi gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    I'm fine, thanks.

    Don't give up. I know of a Shakespearean quote, which I will find, that can support my thought.

    What is the problem with adverbials? Give me an example.

    If you are referring to what are sometimes called "separable prepositions" (separable from the verb), Reed-Kellogg, I think, purposely avoided them when they could, but when they could not, treated them as adverbs.
    I have a lot of problems with adverbials. Their grammatical roles are driving me around the bend.

    [Only I] can talk to you.
    I [can only] talk to you.

    They can't look the same with RK.

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    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...bold-mean.html

    Also this. Why disjunct and subjunct? .... and many more things. Adjunct subjunct disjunct: crazy things.

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    In the first, "Only" modifies "I". In the second "only" modifies "can talk".
    RK would diagram them differently without deciding on what they should be called.

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    Re: Where has Kodorosi gone?

    "Disjunct" is not a grammatical term I am familiar with, but I would guess it means unconnected.
    "Subjunct" is also not a grammatical I am familiar with (though I am with "subjunctive"). I would guess that it means connected but under the control of something.
    This may go back to the Biritsh vs USA differential in terms.
    They may have to be regarded as distinct languages, or at least dialects, for describing syntax, either of which you may speak but which you do not mix.

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    Re: Where has Kodorosi gone?

    Don't go crazy! Hang on! For the sake of RK posterity.

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    Re: Where has Kodorosi gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    In the first, "Only" modifies "I". In the second "only" modifies "can talk".
    RK would diagram them differently without deciding on what they should be called.
    Adverbials do not modify clause elements other than V's. Quite often they do not modify anything at all. Adverbs modify adverbs or adjectives.
    This is my problem. 'Only' can't modify a noun.

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