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    Default Re: Past Simple or Present Perfect?

    If I said :
    I have seen them since yesterday
    Is that sentence correct ?

    Actually, using since ie I havent smoked since three days.
    and using for ie I have stayed in Australia for a week
    make Present Perfect so easy and clear to me

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    I have see them since yesterday- dodgy
    I haven't seen them since yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    I could say 'I haven't had lunch today', unfished time and I expect to have luch. If I have left my office and am on the bus home I could say 'I did a lot of work today'. Here, the day has not ended, but the working part has and I don't expect to do any more work.
    But you could also say,

    "I've done a lot of work today."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    1. I have seen them since yesterday- dodgy
    2. I haven't seen them since yesterday
    It's only dodgy because of the meaning, not because of the grammar. The verb 'see' does not carry a durative meaning very well. Change it to 'watch' and it's fine, or 'been with them' or any other verb with a durative sense.
    Last edited by riverkid; 24-Aug-2006 at 14:02.

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    I think that there may be the situation when it is possible to say "have seen".
    -I want to see a president/favourite actor/sportsman ect...
    -I have seen him yesterday!

    It's still very important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhAh View Post
    I think that there may be the situation when it is possible to say "have seen".
    -I want to see a president/favourite actor/sportsman ect...
    -I have seen him yesterday!
    It's still very important.
    I agree, it definitely happens, OhAh, but for ENLs, there is a strong tendency to separate the present perfect used like this, for adding importance, from any past time adjuncts [additions].

    In speech you'd most likely hear something like this;

    I have seen him ... yesterday!

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    Hi

    The correct answer is past simple because the adverb "yesterday" states a finished action at a past time.

    Regards,

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    In this situation, Teia, the past simple would definitely be, BY far, the most common usage. But this is not always the case. As noted in the CGEL;

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    Past time adjuncts in experential perfects

    This use of the present perfect allows for the inclusion, under restrictive [semantic] conditions, of a past time adjunct.

    Chapter 3 The Verb - page 144

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    Has anyone a copy of Michael Swan, Practical English Usage? There is a portion in the section on Present Perfect that discusses this very issue.

    I've found OR I found that I've given/ I gave mine away.



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    A CAVEAT: ESLs, please note that this is an extremely uncommon usage and as the CGEL stated, it occurs in extremely limited situations under extremely limited conditions.

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    Wink Re: Past Simple or Present Perfect?

    well, present perfect and past tense are some how similar to each other but there are some differences between this tow :

    1. simple past: action happen in the past and finished.

    2.a) present perfect start in the past but there is no definite time (unknown time :yesterday ,last month,...)! so we can use : so far , just , recently,...

    2.b)the only tense that acts as a bridge between past and present.

    All the best,
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