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    in comparison to or with

    do i say in comparison to or with

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    Re: in comparison to or with

    Here's a link to an important rule: https://www.e-education.psu.edu/styl...ts/c3_p21.html

    I am not sure if it applies to "in comparison" though.


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    Re: in comparison to or with

    Quote Originally Posted by mmasny View Post
    Here's a link to an important rule: https://www.e-education.psu.edu/styl...ts/c3_p21.html

    I am not sure if it applies to "in comparison" though.
    Thanks for the link. I believe it does apply to "in comparison." I think we would have to look at a variety of examples, though. It seems to me that they can in certain situations be almost interchangeable, although I'm not sure.

    Perhaps fady 2007 has a particular sentence in mind that s/he can share with us.

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    Re: in comparison to or with

    hi
    I did a quick BNC search.
    Here are the frequency of prepositions for each wordings in academic writing.

    Here are the frequency of prepositions in academic writing.
    I hope it helps somehow.
    compared followed by :
    1 WITH 2128
    2 TO 539
    There are also other prepositions, but it's not the case here.
    I will post them anyway.
    3 BY 38
    4 IN 29
    5 FOR 16
    6 BETWEEN 10
    7 OF 8

    In comparison

    1 TO 35
    2 OF 5 - doesn't count as it doesn't follow directly
    3 WITH 4

    Cheers,
    Last edited by Jaskin; 28-Feb-2010 at 17:36. Reason: selfcorrection

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    Re: in comparison to or with

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaskin View Post
    hi
    I did a quick BNC search.
    Here are the frequency of prepositions for each wordings in academic writing.

    Here are the frequency of prepositions in academic writing.
    I hope it helps somehow.
    compared followed by :
    It would be useful to know whether any semantic distinctions are being made between the use of "to", "with" etc.

    Examples from OED do not bear out the distinction made in the above-mentioned link. This rule is stylistic, not grammatical.
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    These examples from OED don't confirm to the rule:

    2. trans. To mark or point out the similarities and differences of (two or more things); to bring or place together (actually or mentally) for the purpose of noting the similarities and differences. Const. with (or to) another; together. 1621 BURTON Anat. Mel. I. ii. III. xiv. (1651) 124 Whats..the world it self..if compared to the least visible Star in the Firmament?
    [Should be 'with' according to the rule]
    1667 MILTON P.L. II. 921 To compare Great things with small. 1710 STEELE Tatler No. 126 1, I stole looks at each Lady, as if I was comparing their Perfections. 1847 EMERSON Repr. Men, Montaigne Wks. (Bohn) I. 336 In England..property stands for more, compared with personal ability, than in any other [country]. [Should be 'to' according to the rule]
    1860 TYNDALL Glac. II. x. 283 To compare the motion of the eastern and western halves of the glacier. 1879 G. C. HARLAN Eyesight viii. 106 This cramping tendency of town as compared to country. [Should be 'with' according to the rule]

    b. to compare: (a thing) for one to compare, (a thing) to be compared, comparable (to, with). 1483 CAXTON G. de la Tour Ev, Suche men and wymmen be to compare to the wyf of Loth. [Should be 'with' according to the rule]
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    It's an arbitrary stylistic rule which I wouldn't prescribe to anyone. I generally use "to" for most things.

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    Re: in comparison to or with

    hi
    Note not a teacher nor a native speaker,

    It would be useful to know whether any semantic distinctions are being made between the use of "to", "with" etc.
    I can think of an example where that " rule" would apply.

    I can think of an example where I would make a distinction between " compare to" and "compare with"
    It's when we say "compare to" for "they are similar"

    Some commentators compared his work to that of James Joyce.
    I think sounds better than
    Some commentators compared his work with that of James Joyce.

    Raymott could you comment on that, please.
    Cheers
    Last edited by Jaskin; 28-Feb-2010 at 18:10.

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    Re: in comparison to or with

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaskin View Post
    I can think of an example where I would make a distinction between " compare to" and "compare with"
    It's when we say "compare to" for "they are similar"

    Some commentators compared his work to that of James Joyce.
    I think sounds better than
    Some commentators compared his work with that of James Joyce.

    Raymott could you comment on that, please.
    Cheers
    Yes it does sound better. That is a good example of their not being totally exchangeable. I still think it's mainly stylistic though. The second version isn't wrong.
    As I say, I almost always use "to". To change my mind, you'd have to come up with the opposite example - where "with" sounds undeniably better than "to".

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    Re: in comparison to or with

    Hi,

    As I say, I almost always use "to". To change my mind, you'd have to come up with the opposite example - where "with" sounds undeniably better than "to".
    It's not my goal to change your mind-set, Raymott.
    I just find it a good exercise so I'll try to come out with one or find one.


    Cheers,

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