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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmer View Post
    Is there not an overall meaning that puts the author of this sentence (me) on one side of the fence, based on the construction of the sentence and placement of words for emphasis (regardless of the knowledge that I'm a musician)?
    There's nothing definite.
    You could argue that in a sentence of the structure: "Although A is not B in the sense of C, nevertheless A can been seen to be B in the D sense" that the person is going on to argue for the second half of the sentence - that A is B because of D, and hence A is B.
    But until they actually say that, you're still dealing with probabilities.

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    Can you determine what the author's main point is? Isn't there one main point based on the structure of the sentence having a main clause and a subordinate clause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Quite simply, the sentence means that the Trinity does not occur in the Bible, but that it can be seen to be Biblical if you want it to.
    Not to get side tracked, but the sentence actually says the formulation does not occur in the Bible (not the Trinity), but that the substance does occur in the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmer View Post
    Can you determine what the author's main point is?
    More or less.
    Isn't there one main point based on the structure of the sentence having a main clause and a subordinate clause?
    It depends.
    Can we cut to the chase? Is this going to end up as a discussion about the meaning of meaning?
    What is your main point?

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    Can we cut to the chase? Is this going to end up as a discussion about the meaning of meaning?
    What is your main point?
    Wow. Every one of my questions has been legitimate and each one has their point.

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    “Though a snare drum is not a musical instrument in the sense that it plays a melody, it can be used to play the very fundamental element that defines music, which is rhythm.”
    You said the sentence above had a main point "more or less". Can you tell me, based on the construcion of the language, what that main point is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmer View Post
    Wow. Every one of my questions has been legitimate and each one has their point.
    That's true. And my questions: Where is this going? or Where has it come from? are also legitimate, but you are choosing not the answer them.
    Nevertheless, I'll overlook that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmer View Post
    You said the sentence above had a main point "more or less". Can you tell me, based on the construcion of the language, what that main point is?
    No, I can only make a guess. And I don't necessarily agree that there has to be an identifiable 'main point'.
    If I had to guess, I'd say that the author means: "The snare drum is a musical instrument."
    But that is not the meaning of the sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    That's true. And my questions: Where is this going? or Where has it come from? are also legitimate, but you are choosing not the answer them.
    Nevertheless, I'll overlook that.
    I did answer. I told you that each question had their main point. If you can't see where it has come from, or what the point of each question is, I am happy to try and clarify (which I have done on more than one ocassion).

    I see you have responded now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    No, I can only make a guess. And I don't necessarily agree that there has to be an identifiable 'main point'.
    If I had to guess, I'd say that the author means: "The snare drum is a musical instrument."
    But that is not the meaning of the sentence.
    So can a person use that sentence as legitimate support for either view and still keep the integrity of the sentence the way the author intended?

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