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    Re: "Have got" as a verb

    Quote Originally Posted by MASM View Post
    Yes, you're quite right. However, once you have a habit of saying "have got to" is rather difficult to use only "have" (I know from experience).
    That's why I was suggesting that if the kid was already using "got" automatically it was better to leave it like that.
    Yes, I agree with you. If the boy has been taught the use of "have got", we don´t have to change it. Since “have” can be used in all situations and “have got” has a more limited use, I think that kids at least should be taught the use of the first one to avoid confusion. For example, they might say: I´ve got breakfast at 8 o´clock.

    In fact, we can´t do anything, the books for kids have the structure “have got” after the verb “be” in most cases, so we have to explain the proper use. I use both of them. When I´m with children I have to think before asking, if not, they look a bit confused when I say “Do you have any brothers or sisters?”

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    #12

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    Interesting.
    So this verb "have got", what tenses is it available in?
    Both of them are in the simple present. I´ve explained in the previous post where the problem lies, in my opinion.

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    #13

    Re: "Have got" as a verb

    Quote Originally Posted by mara_ce View Post
    Both of them are in the simple present. I´ve explained in the previous post where the problem lies, in my opinion.
    Both of them? The point is that it's taught as one verb - the verb "have got".
    The future can't be "will have got", because that's the future perfect.
    The simple past can't be "had got", etc.

    What I'm asking is, for those teachers who teach the verb "have got", how many tenses is it taught in? What are students told when they ask what the past tense or future is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Both of them?
    Yes, you´re right. I´m referring to kids, they don´t ask that type of questions. They´re not worried about the past or future of a verb.
    The point is that it's taught as one verb - the verb "have got".
    The future can't be "will have got", because that's the future perfect.
    The simple past can't be "had got", etc.

    What I'm asking is, for those teachers who teach the verb "have got", how many tenses is it taught in? What are students told when they ask what the past tense or future is?
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    #15

    Re: "Have got" as a verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Both of them? The point is that it's taught as one verb - the verb "have got".
    The future can't be "will have got", because that's the future perfect.
    The simple past can't be "had got", etc.

    What I'm asking is, for those teachers who teach the verb "have got", how many tenses is it taught in? What are students told when they ask what the past tense or future is?
    I don't really understand the question. The words in it make sense, and it seems unassailably logical, but I don't see why the future can't be 'will have' (which is phonetically distinct from the 'will have' in 'will have got', as in that case the stress is necessarily on 'got' - except in the case of contrastive stress, as in an argument*: 'I've got one.'/'No you haven't'/'I'm telling you I have got one.' - which makes 'have' unstressed, which makes the vowel a schwa; in the verb of possession that is 'I have', the vowel is /æ/).

    As Mara says, children don't care about which verb they're declining. I could say that 'I have got'' is an implied abbreviation of 'I am in possession of, as a result of having got', but that wouldn't be helpful to man or beast.

    b

    *PS I know you what contrastive stress is Ray, but other people may be interested in following this exchange.
    Last edited by BobK; 22-May-2010 at 16:13. Reason: Clarified, and added PS

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    I don't really understand the question.
    Yes you do because you've attempted an answer.

    The words in it make sense, and it seems unassailably logical, but I don't see why the future can't be 'will have' ...
    The future can be "will have". But I was asking if it is "will have" or whatever. If it's true that, when students are old enough to conjugate verbs, they don't ask about "have got", then I suppose there's no problem.
    If the other tenses are, as you imply, the same for the verb "to have", then that's an answer too. Are you saying this?
    So, I'm still interested in the answer. For example, let's say there is a very odd student who asks about the past tense of the verb "have got". He remembers that it is a verb. What's the official response?

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    Re: "Have got" as a verb

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    So, I'm still interested in the answer. For example, let's say there is a very odd student who asks about the past tense of the verb "have got". He remembers that it is a verb. What's the official response?
    At this level the student must be referring to possessions. In that case, I´d say: "had got".
    I had got a red T-shirt ten years ago.

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    #18

    Re: "Have got" as a verb

    And I'd say 'had'; for me 'had got' is the past perfect of 'got' - although in cases like 'had got on', meaning 'was wearing', it's obviously not.

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    Re: "Have got" as a verb

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    And I'd say 'had'; for me 'had got' is the past perfect of 'got' - although in cases like 'had got on', meaning 'was wearing', it's obviously not.
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    I´m afraid I wouldn´t say that.
    I see now why I want to get rid of "have got".
    Fortunately, the kids haven´t asked that question in my class.
    Personally, I say "I used to have something" to emphasize the idea that I don´t have it now.

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    #20

    Re: "Have got" as a verb

    I was told once that "have got" was only used in the present tense, to emphasize possession, "got" didn't mean anything in this case like "do" didn't mean anything in "Do you speak English?" for example. As for the past, future.. "have" will be used without "got".

    Maybe it's not a grammatically acceptable reasoning, but It helped me to understand when I had to use it. My English teachers where British, so I guess they're trying to say, that if "I've got (whatever)" was a common thing to say, it should be taught.

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