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    Default Re: Diagramming Einstein Redux

    This is SO like the good old days, before a guy with the user name of Kondorosi was banned from this forum.

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    Default Re: Diagramming Einstein Redux

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    "Such is the condition of man -- that he is mortal. "

    Here we have "such" as a pronoun and "that he is mortal" as an appositive.

    I have never heard of a restrictive appositive. If it is restrictive, it would be modifying.
    Do we know what 'such' means before we go on to say: "that he is mortal,"?

    From "it can be anything" we narrowed down the meaning to 'that he is mortal". We restricted the scope of its meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    This is SO like the good old days, before a guy with the user name of Kondorosi was banned from this forum.
    :) We are thinking of the same thing now.

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    Default Re: Diagramming Einstein Redux

    You must have witnessed his work.

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    Default Re: Diagramming Einstein Redux

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    You must have witnessed his work.
    Yeah, he is a very smart guy.
    Last edited by corum; 22-May-2010 at 16:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    Do we know what 'such' means before we go on to say: "that he is mortal,"?

    From "it can be anything" we narrowed down the meaning to 'that he is mortal". We restricted the scope of its meaning.
    Okay, I see what you mean there; but we did so by re-naming it -- not by modifying it. You can take either the "such" or the "that he is mortal" out and it doesn't change the syntax (other than removing the appositive). The subject is duplicated.

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    Default Re: Diagramming Einstein Redux

    Tell me...

    Since this is so much fun, why don't people play this like chess?

    I will be ready to admit checkmate when you convince me.

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    Okay, I see what you mean there; but we did so by re-naming it -- not by modifying it.
    I did not bring into our argument the idea of modification. I think it was you. I agree that apposition means the renaming of a preceding NP. By renaming you may be more precise.
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    You can take either the "such" or the "that he is mortal" out and it doesn't change the syntax (other than removing the appositive). The subject is duplicated.
    completes the meaning --> complement
    changes the meaning --> modifier

    Checkmate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    I did not bring into our argument the idea of modification. I think it was you. I agree that apposition means the renaming of a preceding NP. By renaming you may be more precise.


    completes the meaning --> complement
    change the meaning --> modifier

    OK?
    I should have said "re-stating" because an appositive may be a verb, an adjective, a preposition, etc.

    The main thing is that an appositive duplicates a part of a sentence.

    Eventually I will post a Shakespearean sentence that includes an absolutely absurd number of appositives.

    Let's not get too far away from that sentence (like a raw bone thrown between two hungry dogs). Can you show me that there is an appositive in it?

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    Default Re: Diagramming Einstein Redux

    an appositive may be a verb, an adjective, a preposition, etc.
    Before I emailed a descriptive grammarian, him: YouTube - 22. Appositives and Punctuation. English Grammar, Language, I was thinking the same thing.

    Read the comments there below the video box: Whiteeagleflies is me!

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