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    Default a before admiration

    I came up with as follows
    1.t.v.+ (adjective) +admiration :
    have, express, feel admiration,for,/of...win wide-spread admiration, express great-admiration, excite,awsken universal admiration
    2.,t.v.+a+adjective+admiration:
    cherish a profoud admiration,have a deep /great admiration
    Please explain the phenomenon. By the way can we say like this: have an admiration for ,have deep admiration for...,If they are possible,give some examples , please in detail!Thank you very much!

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    I'm sorry, but I do not understand what you are asking/saying.

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    I think the question is "when do we use "a/an" with the word "admiration?"

    Did I understand you correctly Notletrest?

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    Okay, that's easy.

    It is called (darn it, I can't think of it at the moment but French uses it all the time) ELISION (the it is). Since "admiration" starts with a vowel, the "n" of an "an" is sounded and written. In French the consonant before such a word is written but not sounded (or maybe sounded but not written -- I can't remember at the moment.) Basically, in French if there is any way to make sounds run together smoothly, it is done. Consonant to vowel is smooth. Vowel to vowel is not smooth.

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    I should go on to say that this has nothing to do with meaning but rather with sound. In English we say "an apple" but we say "a pear".

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    Notletrest seems to have lost his interest in this thread, but I'll continue to ask.

    You've misunderstood me. (It's only my fault though... ) I didn't mean the difference between "a" and "an". I rather meant the difference between "a/an" and no article. And that's what I believe the original poster was talking about. He/she says that it's sometimes "an admiration" and sometimes simply "admiration". Of course I may have misunderstood that myself, but I would still like to know how to deal with it.

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    Well, I'm puzzled. Maybe we should just let the thread die. I could tell you, though, that "an admiration" versus "admiration" is the difference between an individual versus a collective noun. "A breath" versus "air". The first you can itemize i.e. count. The second you cannot.

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    Well, I'm puzzled. Maybe we should just let the thread die. I could tell you, though, that "an admiration" versus "admiration" is the difference between an individual versus a collective noun. "A breath" versus "air". The first you can itemize i.e. count. The second you cannot.
    I am sorry I have taken you so much time to guess my question.In order to save time, I put my question in a brief way,I didn't think you might misunderstand me.Now let me speak again.
    I came up with as follows in dictionaries:
    1.t.ranstive verbs .+ (adjective) +admiration :

    have,/express/ feel admiration,for,/of...win wide-spread admiration, express great-admiration, excite,/awaken universal admiration
    That is to say before admiration without an indefinite article,even if there is an adjective before it.The examples are as above.
    2.,travstive verb.+a+adjective+admiration:
    cherish a profoud admiration, have a deep /great admiration
    That is to say before admiration there must be with an indefinite article, if there is an adjective before it.The examples are as above.In fact some examples in 1. are in contradiction to those in 2. i.e. express great admiration, have a great admiration...,have admiration for,

    Please explain the phenomenon,why should it be so.What is the rule for it and for orther nouns? By the way can we say like this: have an admiration for ,have deep admiration for...,If they are possible,give some examples , please in detail! Now may I put it clearly? Thank you very much!

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    Yes you can say those last two.

    I am still confused, however, by the definitions that you are offering.

    "Admire" is a transitive verb. "Admirable" is an adjective "Admiring" can also function as an adjective or a noun. "Admirably" is an adverb. "Admiration" is a noun (which can be individual or mass). Without looking up the etymology, I can safely assume that the word comes from the Latin prefix "ad"--to or toward-- and the Latin verb "mirare" -- to look.

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    Default Re: a before admiration

    If I understand you, these are possible structures, so a/an + adj + admiration does not mean that if there's an adjective, we must use the indefinite article. It's not a rule, just a possibility- we can have more than one pattern.

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