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    Hullo !

    What do these old sentences mean exactly ?? Is this structure still used nowadays ?? And what's the alternative structure for these sentences ??

    I am gone !!

    The hour is come !!






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    Default Re: I am gone !!

    Not a teacher.

    "I am gone" means "I am leaving."

    "The hour has come" means "the time is now" for whatever is to happen.

    "My wife called, she's on her way to the hospital. The hour has come for the baby's delivery."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Shakespeare View Post
    The hour is come !!
    Your question has been answered. I'll add that this structure, now obsolete in English, is still present in some European languages, like German (I believe it would be "die Uhr ist gekommen", but I'm not sure...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Shakespeare View Post
    Hullo !

    What do these old sentences mean exactly ?? Is this structure still used nowadays ?? And what's the alternative structure for these sentences ??

    I am gone !!

    The hour is come !!




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    Hello.

    (1) I think that I may have an answer.

    (2) Hundreds of years ago, the English people used be + past

    participle in order to express the present perfect with

    certain verbs.

    (3) Later, the English people started to use have instead of be.

    (4) Today we use this "old" English sometimes in poetry.

    (a) Our President Lincoln used this beautiful old English in one

    of his famous speeches when he said: We are met on a great ....

    (5) Professor George O. Curme in his A Grammar of the English Language

    gives these examples:

    The tree is fallen. = has fallen.
    The melancholy days are come. = have come.
    Our friend is departed.= has departed.
    The birds were flown. = had flown.
    I am arrived. = have arrived

    This one is very special:

    ...they say is kill'd [killed] tonight. = has been killed.

    Why is it special?

    Because you (Shakespeare) wrote these words in one of

    your plays!!!

    THANK YOU

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    Default Re: I am gone !!

    "I am gone", albeit in its contracted form "I'm gone" is still in use (in modern BrE at least) to mean, as your first responder said "I'm leaving".

    You're at a party and decide that it's time to leave. You might say to your host "Right. It's been lovely but - I'm gone!" or with an AmE import "I'm out of here!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    "I am gone", albeit in its contracted form "I'm gone" is still in use (in modern BrE at least) to mean, as your first responder said "I'm leaving".
    I would have assumed that if somebody is gone, s/he would no longer be there. (Or s/he's dead, but this is another meaning of 'gone'.) It's a bit surprising to a non-native speaker that it means 'I'm leaving'. Though I can think of it in a funny way, like "I'm sooo (sic! ) leaving that I'm already not here; I'm gone." Is it idiomatic, by the way?



    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    (1) I think that I may have an answer.

    (2) Hundreds of years ago, the English people used be + past

    participle in order to express the present perfect with

    certain verbs.

    (3) Later, the English people started to use have instead of be.
    Interesting! I thought it was a sort of passive form. (I.e. somebody is gone = s/he is in the state of not being here. Who knows? Maybe this was the original idea behind this structure. ) Anyway, thank you very much for your enlightening post.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    (2) Hundreds of years ago, the English people used be + past participle in order to express the present perfect with certain verbs.
    Now that I think of it, something similar still exists in German; certain verbs (basically the ones that have something to do with change of location, but I don't want to say bullcrap) take the inflected forms of the auxiliary verb 'sein' (be) instead of the auxiliary verb 'haben' (have). "I have gone" = "Ich bin gegangen", assuming that one uses 'Perfekt' instead of "Präteritum".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mav~ View Post
    *** NOT A TEACHER ***

    I would have assumed that if somebody is gone, s/he would no longer be there. (Or s/he's dead, but this is another meaning of 'gone'.) It's a bit surprising to a non-native speaker that it means 'I'm leaving'. Though I can think of it in a funny way, like "I'm sooo (sic! ) leaving that I'm already not here; I'm gone." Is it idiomatic, by the way?
    It's entirely logical that "I'm gone" ought to mean "I've already left" but no-one ever claimed that idiomatic/colloquial English is logical.

    An addition to "I'm gone" and "I'm outta here" is the (actually more common in BrE) phrase "I'm off".

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    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    It's entirely logical that "I'm gone" ought to mean "I've already left"...
    I take that "I'm gone" means "I'm leaving" when you are actually leaving while/after saying this (idiomatically), otherwise it means "I'm no longer here". Am I correct with this interpretation?


    PS:
    I know your opinion about lyrics , but I immediately thought of "Spicks And Specks" by The Bee Gees:
    Where is the girl I loved all along?
    The girl that I loved, she is gone, she is gone...
    (Should it read "she's been gone"? )
    Last edited by ~Mav~; 07-Aug-2010 at 02:24.

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    The Eagles sang a song called "Already Gone," with the lyric "I'm already gone..."

    It can be a state of mind rather than a statement about physical location. Like the last day at work before a holiday/vacation. You might be physically present, but mentally you are "gone."

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