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    Exclamation the addition

    Pasta's basic ingredients are flour and water, sometimes with the addition of eggs or oil.

    This is a sentence I copied from my dictionary, I have been wondering why the author put a "the" in front of "addition"

    Is this because "of eggs or oil" is specific enough so we have to use "the" in front of the "addition"

    But I would just like to make a general reference. Shouldn't "the" be omitted
    Sometimes it is so confusing as to beat my brain.

    Thanks for your help.

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    Default Re: the addition

    In this sentence, "addition" is a noun, so it needs an article in front.

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    Default Re: the addition

    But I would just like to make a general reference. Shouldn't "the" be omitted. Sometimes it is so confusing as to beat my brain.
    Just don't make your brains as scrambled eggs.
    susiedqq told you the reason. But if you do not wish to use THE,
    you would have to say it in a different manner, like:



    Pasta's basic ingredients are flour and water, but sometimes adding eggs or oil, makes it taste better.

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    Default Re: the addition

    1) Pasta's basic ingredients are flour and water, sometimes with the addition of eggs or oil.

    Wihout the 'the' it sounds a bit funny. But I would write:

    2) Pasta's basic ingredients are flour and water, sometimes under addition of eggs or oil.

    I think that in both you can use 'the addition' or 'addition'. I think just using 'addition' in 1) you have 'quick cook book' style of prose.

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    Default Re: the addition

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedroski View Post
    1) Pasta's basic ingredients are flour and water, sometimes with the addition of eggs or oil.

    Wihout the 'the' it sounds a bit funny. But I would write:

    2) Pasta's basic ingredients are flour and water, sometimes under addition of eggs or oil.

    I think that in both you can use 'the addition' or 'addition'. I think just using 'addition' in 1) you have 'quick cook book' style of prose.
    Thank you, Pedroski.

    Sometimes, it is quite difficult to determine whether an uncountable noun is specific or not, especially after being modified.

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    Default Re: the addition

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    The "the" is required because it is specific. It is incorrect without "the". "under" cannot be used in this text. Under means below or less than.
    The building is in the danger of collapsing.

    Is it specific enough to put "the" in front of danger?

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    The "the" is required because it is specific. It is incorrect without "the". "under" cannot be used in this text. Under means below or less than.
    I agree, "under" is completely incorrect.

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    Default Re: the addition

    Do you have a prblem with these?

    Pasta's basic ingredients are flour and water, sometimes with a bit of oil and eggs.

    Pasta's basic ingredients are flour and water, sometimes with a cup of oil and three eggs.

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    Default Re: the addition

    "under" cannot be used in this text. Any particular reason why not?

    I suggest you do a net-search. Enter "under addition of". Ditto "with addition of"

    You will get in the region of 300 000 000 hits each time. Here just one example I got by randomly clicking on page 10 of the search results.

    In Afghanistan Hashish is pressed by hand under addition of a small quantity of tea or water.

    Would you care to state your reasons why 'It is incorrect without "the".'?
    Last edited by Pedroski; 16-Sep-2010 at 01:28.

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    Default Re: the addition

    I believe I have a vague grasp of the meaning of 'addition'. If you don't like maths, maybe you like chemistry?
    Anything that mentions hashish must be written by a foreigner?
    The following excerpts are probably written by professors and doctors. But I suppose they have bad English too!

    ...obtained pellets were mixed under addition of 15 g talc and subsequently screened.

    .... into a spectroscopic cuvette under addition of 10 Ál of DCVJ stock solution,

    ....mechanically mixed under addition of an organic volatile solvent (acetone, chloroform or methylene chloride)

    The list goes on ........(almost endlessly)

    If you do not have the phrase 'under addition of' in your dialect, that's not a problem. But as an English teacher, you really should be aware that it is a common phrase, used regularly and by very many people. We learn something new every day!

    Quite what you mean by 'The article "the" is required because addition is specific.' I can't fathom. I assume it was written by a foreigner.

    Try a search for "mixed with addition of" until you are sure that lots of people use the phrase that way.

    are mixed with addition of bitumen emulsion

    mixed with addition of 1.0 g finely ground cadmium sulfide. (another endless list of pages)

    Then reconsider your contention!

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