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    Oh, If I become from these hardy ones, No one will believe that I didn't go there or my mother is from there
    If you want to be like that, you need to put a lot of effort into it. It's not an easy task and it'll take you some time. There's plenty of material on the internet so you can take advantage from that. And try to make it fun, because otherwise you'll quickly get tired and bored.

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    If you want to be like that, you need to put a lot of effort into it. It's not an easy task and it'll take you some time. There's plenty of material on the internet so you can take advantage from that. And try to make it fun, because otherwise you'll quickly get tired and bored.
    Thanks for the expensive advice, I know it will be a hard task as if I were a spy I always try to make it fun in studying English, I tried that in French and failed and in the scientific subjects and failed, These stuffs don't joke except English lol

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    Re: Fluency in English

    Concerning Tdol's post, I've never bumped into someone who's got a native level in any language without going abroad. If so, it could certainly take a whole life for her/him to reach it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmad Safwat View Post
    Thanks for the expensive advice, I know it will be a hard task as if I were a spy I always try to make it fun in studying English, I tried that in French and failed and in the scientific subjects and failed, These stuffs don't joke except English lol
    I don't find formal/school French funny either, though it's totes the other way around regarding our slang and colloquial stuff. You'd just need to come over to appreciate it.
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    I don't find formal/school French funny either, though it's totes the other way around regarding our slang and colloquial stuff. You'd just need to come over to appreciate it.
    I adore speaking French because I feel it's so sweet and smoth and respectable especially when a woman talks to her lover or a waiter talks to his clients or recieptionist or a diplomatic or general affairs man

    But unfortunately I couldn't find French rules and grammer and some writing palatable to me for the whole two years I've studied at the school, I prefered the language i used to for a lot of years than enduring two .

    Regards to you and all French people :)

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    philadelphia, Our French teacher said that the people who live in the south in France speak a language is MUCH different to the north and their French differs a lot for the puplic and formal one, He couldn't understand them . Is that right?

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    Re: Fluency in English

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    Concerning Tdol's post, I've never bumped into someone who's got a native level in any language without going abroad. If so, it could certainly take a whole life for her/him to reach it.
    Of course it would be much better if you could travel abroad. But since that is not always possible there are individuals who manage to learn foreign languages by other methods besides traveling.

    Anyway (i) you have to define exactly what you mean by a "native level in a language," and (ii) the fact that you have never bumped into someone with a specific quality does not mean he or she does not exist.
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    philadelphia, Our French teacher said that the people who live in the south in France speak a language is MUCH different to the north and their French differs a lot for the puplic and formal one, He couldn't understand them . Is that right?
    Right enough. Our formal French is quite the same. On the other hand, once we stand in the street, the slang is defs more often used and may even differ from county to county, so I can perfectly understand he didn't get them all. However, if he'd stayed for a while he'd've got used to this. Practice makes perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abstract Idea View Post
    Of course it would be much better if you could travel abroad. But since that is not always possible there are individuals who manage to learn foreign languages by other methods besides traveling.

    Anyway (i) you have do define exactly what you mean by a "native level in a language," and (ii) the fact that you have never bumped into someone with a specific quality does not mean he or she does not exist.
    Agreed, I've never said the contrary though. Hanging at a native level for a foreigner should equal the level of an average native speaker of English (ie level C2).

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    Concerning Tdol's post, I've never bumped into someone who's got a native level in any language without going abroad. If so, it could certainly take a whole life for her/him to reach it.
    When I went to live in Portugal many years ago, I met a guy who I assumed was English- perfect English accent, everything was right. After a few hours, he said something about Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs/Dwarves (which he pronounced in a way that would rhyme with halves, and suddenly I realised he wasn't a native speaker, but he had completely fooled me all afternoon until then and he'd never visted an English-speaking country and was largely self-taught.

    I thought it was a truly astonishing achievement and have met one other who had done it since then, though the first one did it in pre-internet days when access to spoken texts would have been much harder, so he must have done it by ear and speaking to people he met.

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    Re: Fluency in English

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    Thanks for the expensive advice
    It doesn't have to be expensive- I think a lot about acquiring the ability to reproduce foreign sounds is about losing inhibitions and being prepared to experiment and trying to make sound in ways that are unfamiliar to us. Also, it doesn't have to be perfect. When I was living in Cambodia, they can use a sound like the ng we have in English after vowels (sang) at the beginning of words. I tried and tried to get it right, but I could not reproduce it well. At least by trying, you may get somewhere near to unfamiliar sounds, which is an improvement.

    You can strive for perfection, but it's a good idea to be prepared to settle for fluency, or even comprehension. One of the great writers of English literature, Joseph Conrad, was Polish and English was his third language- to become a major writer in your third language, and one he didn't learn until were well into his adult years, is extraordinary. Few can do it in their first language, but we needn't feel we have failed if we can't emulate him. And he spoke English with a foreign accent.
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