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    Cool American pronunciation

    How do we pronounce the letter s in the word this when it comes before a word starts with the letter y in American English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamalmuo View Post
    How do we pronounce the letter s in the word this when it comes before a word starts with the letter y in American English?
    It's still voiceless, at least to me.

    thi[s] year <note that [y] can be devoiced>
    thi[z] year

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    Can be thi[sh]year

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatone View Post
    Can be thi[sh]year
    Good point! Yes, palatalization can occur in that environment (/s/ becomes [sh], an alveo-palatal). Good ear!

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    Re: American pronunciation

    I often hear [blesh] in a phrase "bless you".
    Is it the same pronunciation as in "thi[sh] year"?
    My teacher says it's better to pronounce [bles] because [blesh] is vulgar (or demotic?)

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    Re: American pronunciation

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    I often hear [blesh] in a phrase "bless you".
    Is it the same pronunciation as in "thi[sh] year"?
    Yes, it's the same pronunciation.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewOne View Post
    My teacher says it's better to pronounce [bles] because [blesh] is vulgar (or demotic?)
    I have never heard of that; moreover, to my knowledge blesh isn't even a word in English. I wonder where your teacher got that information from. Please ask and let me know. It's something new to me and I would like to understand it better. Thanks.

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    lauralie2
    to my knowledge blesh isn't even a word in English
    [blesh] is a transcription of the word "bless".
    I wonder where your teacher got that information from. Please ask and let me know.
    I can't ask my teacher because it was at school some years ago (I remember I said "Bless [blesh] you" and she said "It's better to say "[bles] you"...". Her words engraved in my memory, but I'm not sure of correct use of the words "vulgar" and "demotic". Maybe that's why you don't understand me.

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    Re: American pronunciation

    I think "sounds like" something does not mean one should "pronounce it like" something.
    I mean, when you pronounce A, it might sounded like B, but if you pronounce it B, it'll probably sounds like C.

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    It sounds to me as if your teacher was being over-prescriptive. She was probably the sort of person who would think that dropping one's aitches is as sign of vulgarity.

    What she didn't realise is that the elision of /s/ to/ʃ/ before /j/ is a normal feature of speech in conversation, even among educated people, as is the dropping of the aitch is such utterances as:

    I think he's coming tomorrow.

    In formal speech we pronounce the /s/ and /j/ of bless you, and the /h/ of he, but we would actually sound a little strange if we did that in everyday speech.


    I am writing as a speaker of BrE, but I have noticed the same thing with speakers of AmE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewOne View Post
    lauralie2

    [blesh] is a transcription of the word "bless".

    I can't ask my teacher because it was at school some years ago (I remember I said "Bless [blesh] you" and she said "It's better to say "[bles] you"...". Her words engraved in my memory, but I'm not sure of correct use of the words "vulgar" and "demotic". Maybe that's why you don't understand me.
    Where was your teacher from?

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