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    Default Re: Can anyone please answer my question?

    Anna is the very youngest.
    Anny is youngest.
    Anny is very youngest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vidor View Post
    First is wrong.
    No, these sentences are quoted from Qiurk et. al. Only the last one is wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vidor View Post
    He is very much rich.
    or
    He is very much richer.

    Both are feasible, if the first is a tad constrained.
    Yes, and I have already explained why. Do you follow this thread?

    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...tml#post686989

    He is very much rich.

    I think the OPs question has been fully covered and that we should put this matter to rest rather than run around in circles.



    You have shut down the following thread:
    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...tion-prep.html

    but you have not shut down this. Very interesting!
    Last edited by corum; 08-Dec-2010 at 20:45.

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    Default Re: Can anyone please answer my question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ever Student View Post
    Hello,

    can anyone please answer the question below.

    Which one is correct?

    How beautiful is she?

    or

    How much beautiful is she?

    or

    How young are you?
    How much young are you?


    Thanks in advance
    The first in each case. The positive form of an adjective cannot be modified by 'how much'.

    Comparatives, on the other hand, can be:

    How much more beautiful was she than you?
    How much younger are you than your brother?


    etc.

    N.B. The above restriction, concerning specifically the interrogative adverb phrase 'how much', applies even in cases where the simple adverb 'much' may be acceptable as a modifier. Thus, although we may not, in contemporary standard usage, have

    *How much surprised were you?


    (at best, an archaism)

    we can still have, albeit in very formal usage,

    I was much surprised to learn of his treachery.

    (= more natural very surprised...)

    Note, however, that the use of 'much' as a modifier of positive adjectives is essentially restricted to deverbal -ed forms.

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    Default Re: Can anyone please answer my question?

    Thank you for the confirmation, Philo!

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    Default Re: Can anyone please answer my question?

    Quirk et. al.:
    Whereas gradable adjectives and adverbs are intensified by very: verbs are intensified by other intensifying adverbs such as much and well, which themselves are often premodified by very, eg: very much, very well.
    Quote Originally Posted by philo2009 View Post
    I was much surprised to learn of his treachery.
    (= more natural very surprised...)

    Note, however, that the use of 'much' as a modifier of positive adjectives is essentially restricted to deverbal -ed forms.
    If I put these two ideas together, I can't help jumping to the conclusion that "surprised" has verbal force more than adjectival. But then, after a little pause for thought:

    He was surprised and sad. -- conjoined adjectives.

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    Default Re: Can anyone please answer my question?

    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    Quirk et. al.:




    If I put these two ideas together, I can't help jumping to the conclusion that "surprised" has verbal force more than adjectival. But then, after a little pause for thought:

    He was surprised and sad. -- conjoined adjectives.
    Hello
    Would any one please edit the passage I sent a couple of days ago? It's very vital for me.

    Thanks in advance

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    Default Re: Can anyone please answer my question?

    [QUOTE=Ever Student;687565]Hello
    Would any one please edit the passage I sent a couple of days ago? It's very vital for me.

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ever Student View Post
    Hello
    Would any one please edit the passage I sent a couple of days ago? It's very vital for me.

    Thanks in advance
    This?
    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ed...ppreciate.html

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    Default Re: Can anyone please answer my question?

    Yes.
    Thank you

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    Default Re: Can anyone please answer my question?

    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    Quirk et. al.:

    If I put these two ideas together, I can't help jumping to the conclusion that "surprised" has verbal force more than adjectival. But then, after a little pause for thought:

    He was surprised and sad. -- conjoined adjectives.
    Naturally all deverbal -ing and -ed adjectives, by virtue of their origin, may seem to have a verbal force. The simplest, and generally best accepted, test is to see whether they can, in context, be modified by 'very'.

    Structurally "hybrid" cases, however, are not unknown, e.g. 'surprised' in

    He was very surprised by the news.


    - seemingly indeterminate between adjective (on account of its premodifier) and verb (on account of the postmodifying prep.phr., normally characterstic of a passive VP).

    Of course, 'at' could acceptably replace 'by' here, resolving the issue on a superficial level, at least.

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