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    #21

    Re: What is your reading?

    Quote Originally Posted by lauralie2 View Post
    Allow me to explain.



    Quote Originally Posted by lauralie2 View Post
    Sentence 2., as we know, is an example of a reduced relative clause, the relative pronoun (who) and its verb (is) having been omitted:


    1. ...with Mr Smith who is a well-respected teacher.
    2. ...with Mr Smith, a well-respected teacher.

    The resulting modifying phrase 'a well-respected teacher' sees into the PP (with Mr Smith) and modifies the NP (Mr Smith), and not the P (with), because relative adjectival clauses, even reduced ones, modify nouns, and that, by the way, is the problem with our original sentence (3. below).
    How is [the fact that reduced adjectival clauses stick to nouns] a problem in the sentence below?

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    3. The drawback of virtual school is lack of human contact (which is) providing students with daily ongoing interaction with teachers.
    Quote Originally Posted by lauralie2 View Post
    The head of our phrase is a noun (lack), which is what the modifier sees:
    There are two NPs, one placed inside another. At this point, what I suspect is this: the reduced relative hinges on a NP. Which one? Find the closest NP which is not built into a bigger NP. Find the head of this phrase and we have arrived. Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by lauralie2 View Post
    In (3.), the closest noun, from a non-linear view,
    What does non-linear view mean?

    Note that, because of the copular structure, 'drawback' also plays a role:
    5. The drawback is providing students with interaction.
    Fair enough.

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    #22

    Re: What is your reading?

    Would R-K help this?

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    #23

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    I go for no. 2. That appears to me to be the most logical reading. The noted merit of traditional education is that of providing students ...
    To me this seems definitely correct: reading 2 is right.

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    #24

    Re: What is your reading?

    Hello Peter!

    What would be your reading in this case?

    The drawback of virtual school is lack of human contact, as opposed to a noted merit of traditional education, not providing students with ongoing daily interaction with teachers.

    Hello Frank!

    My diagram goes like this:


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    #25

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    How is [the fact that reduced adjectival clauses stick to nouns] a problem in the sentence below?

    3. The drawback of virtual school is lack of human contact (which is) providing students with daily ongoing interaction with teachers.
    The main problem is in the assumption that 'providing students with...' modifies 'human contact'. It doesn't. If it did, the resulting meaning wouldn't make sense, as in (3b.):

    3b. ?Lack of human contact is a drawback of virtual school because students are provided with daily ongoing interaction with teachers.


    3c. Lack of human contact is a drawback of virtual school because students are not provided with daily ongoing interaction with teachers.
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    There are two NPs, one placed inside another. At this point, what I suspect is this: the reduced relative hinges on a NP. Which one? Find the closest NP which is not built into a bigger NP. Find the head of this phrase and we have arrived. Correct?
    Yes. You have it.


    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    What does non-linear view mean?
    Exactly what you said, "Find the closest NP which is not built into a bigger NP." The easiest way for me to explain the meaning of a 'non-linear view' is to use an analogy: an onion. The outer layer is the 'bigger NP' (lack of human contact), the second layer is the PP (of (human (contact))), the third layer is the NP ((human) (contact)), and so on. When you look at an onion, you see its outer peel, the 'bigger NP' (lack of human contact), not its inner peels (of (human contact)). The inner peels are 'built in', hidden from your view. Does that help any?


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    Last edited by lauralie2; 13-Dec-2010 at 12:13.

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    I guess if I R-K that sentence, I am going to have to think about it. At first glance, I think I like Corum's second option. I'll have to wait until I get home from school to look closer.

    It still seems to me that the problem is generated by bad composition.

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    #27

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    Yes. You have it.



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    Thanks for your explanations, lauralie!

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    #28

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    I guess if I R-K that sentence, I am going to have to think about it. At first glance, I think I like Corum's second option. I'll have to wait until I get home from school to look closer.

    It still seems to me that the problem is generated by bad composition.
    No, the first dia is

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    #30

    Re: What is your reading?

    Again, I'll have to wait until I can look at home. Here in my school, your images are blocked.

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