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    Default How to pronounce 'Muecke'

    Hi!


    Could anyone please tell me how to pronounce the surname in:

    John Muecke?


    Thank you.

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    Default Re: How to pronounce 'Muecke'

    This looks like a surname rendered in a format that doesn't accept umlauts, in which case it's probably ['mykǝ] - though if the name has been anglicized for several generations the [y] might have become a more English-sounding /u:/.

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    Default Re: How to pronounce 'Muecke'

    Would you make it rhyme with 'duke'?

    Also, some say:

    "We pronounce it Mickey like Mickey Mouse" (emphasis added)

    What do you think?

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    Default Re: How to pronounce 'Muecke'

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    This looks like a surname rendered in a format that doesn't accept umlauts, in which case it's probably ['mykǝ] - though if the name has been anglicized for several generations the [y] might have become a more English-sounding /u:/.

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    Could it be pronounced /mju:k/?
    I´m just comparing it with Mueller /mju:lə/.

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    Default Re: How to pronounce 'Muecke'

    Quote Originally Posted by wise.tree View Post
    Would you make it rhyme with 'duke'?

    Also, some say:

    "We pronounce it Mickey like Mickey Mouse" (emphasis added)

    What do you think?

    WT
    That makes sense as [y] is not unlike the first vowel in 'Mickey', but with lip-rounding; German müller is English 'miller'.

    Who is the 'we'? If a speech community has agreed on a pronunciation, that's a name (whatever academics may say about 'correct' pronunciation.

    Quote Originally Posted by mara_ce View Post
    Could it be pronounced /mju:k/?
    I´m just comparing it with Mueller /mju:lə/.
    To pursue the analogy further, you should add a schwa to the end; in German (which I suppose this is) an e at the end of a word doesn't have to be followed by r to represent a sound - so whatever you do with the vowel sounds, 'Moecke' has two syllables

    (In most Br Eng pronunciations of 'Mueller', there is no glide before the /u:/, but I can only repeat what I said before: if everyone says it like that, and if Mr Mueller adopts it, that's the name.)

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    Default Re: How to pronounce 'Muecke'

    Thanks, BobK. I found that pronunciation of Mueller in the English Pronouncing Dictionary (Daniel Jones).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mara_ce View Post
    Could it be pronounced /mju:k/?
    I´m just comparing it with Mueller /mju:lə/.
    Ha, that 'midge' (that's what 'Mücke' or 'Muecke' means in German), not only stings, but is also difficult to pronounce for English speaking people.
    Please go the the following site ... and you will hear the correct pronounciation in German.

    'Muecke' and 'Mueller' = same pronounciation

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruzu27 View Post
    Ha, that 'midge' (that's what 'Mücke' or 'Muecke' means in German), not only stings, but is also difficult to pronounce for English speaking people.
    Please go the the following site ... and you will hear the correct pronounciation in German.

    'Muecke' and 'Mueller' = same pronounciation
    ...oops - I forgot the site... sorry

    dict.cc | midge | Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch.

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    Default Re: How to pronounce 'Muecke'

    Quote Originally Posted by mara_ce View Post
    Thanks, BobK. I found that pronunciation of Mueller in the English Pronouncing Dictionary (Daniel Jones).
    Publication date? He died before I studied 35 years ago (under a student of his).

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    Default Re: How to pronounce 'Muecke'

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Publication date? He died before I studied 35 years ago (under a student of his).

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    I´ve got the 15th Edition, 1997.

    It gives two pronunciations: /mju:lə/ and /mʊlə/.
    Last edited by mara_ce; 13-Jan-2011 at 13:29. Reason: to delete j

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