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    This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Dear Teachers,

    What are the diffrences among these similar expressions:

    1. this kind of a X
    2. this kind of X
    3. Xs of this kind

    E.g., colloquial or formal? concrete or abstract?

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Quote Originally Posted by AlJapone View Post
    Dear Teachers,

    What are the diffrences among these similar expressions:

    1. this kind of a X
    2. this kind of X
    3. Xs of this kind

    E.g., colloquial or formal? concrete or abstract?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Best wishes,


    AlJapone
    Swan 551.2:
    kind of a X -- informal
    kind of X -- formal, informal
    kind of Xs -- informal
    kinds of X -- formal, informal
    kinds of Xs -- formal, informal
    Xs of these kinds
    Xs of this kind

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    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    Swan 551.2:
    kind of X -- formal, informal
    Thank you for your reply. But I'm not sure what you mean by "formal, imformal." Would you explain on this point?

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    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    used in both registers

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    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    used in both registers
    Does this mean something different from 'not formal and not informal'?

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    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    Swan 551.2:
    kind of a X -- informal. kind of X -- formal, informal etc.
    Actually, what Swan wrote was:

    "When we are talking about one sort of thing, we can use sort of, kind of, or type of followed by a singular noun. [...]

    Singular sort of, kind of, and type of can also be followed by plural nouns, especially in an informal style. [...]

    Plural demonstratives (these and those) can also be used.[...] . Do you smoke those kind of cigarettes?
    This structure is often felt to be incorrect, and is usually avoided in a formal style, This can be done by using a singular noun [...], by using plural sorts/kinds types, or by using the structure ...of this/that sort/kind/type.

    This sort of car is... Those kinds of car(s) are... Cars of that type are ..."

    Swan, Michael (2005) Practical English Usage, Oxford:OUP

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    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Actually, what Swan wrote was:
    [...] Singular sort of, kind of, and type of can also be followed by plural nouns, especially in an informal style. [...]

    Plural demonstratives (these and those) can also be used.[...] This structure is often felt to be incorrect, and is usually avoided in a formal style, [...]
    Thank you for providing useful information, fivejedjon.

    It appears to me that Swan only says that 'this kind of Xs' and 'these kind of Xs' are informal, (both expression are not included in my original post.)

    I feel that 'this kind of a X', which is probably colloquial, has a slightly diffrent usage from the other two given in my first post. But I cannot put my finger on what makes me feel like this.
    I also feel 'Xs of this kind' could be, in some cases, more suitable to private and personal classifications than 'this kind of' might be; am I imagining a distinction that does not exist?
    I would be happy if I could listen to your opinion.

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    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Well, for what it's worth, AlJapone, here's my opinion:

    A: It appears to me that Swan only says that 'this kind of Xs' and 'these kind of Xs' are informal, (both expression are not included in my original post.)

    5: He didn’t say that of the former, and he wrote of the latter that it was used ‘especially in an informal style’, which is not quite the same as saying that it is informal.

    A: I feel that 'this kind of a X', which is probably colloquial, has a slightly different usage from the other two given in my first post. But I cannot put my finger on what makes me feel like this.

    5: I agree that it is probably colloquial, but I can’t feel any difference.

    A: I also feel 'Xs of this kind' could be, in some cases, more suitable to private and personal classifications than 'this kind of' might be; am I imagining a distinction that does not exist?

    5: I think you are. Others may disagree.

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    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Dear fivejedjon,

    Now I am somehow relieved knowing that I was wrong in terms of my feelings on these expressions. Thank you.
    By the way, I am afraid you might misread the second paragraph of my last post. So let me repeat it here.

    This kind of Xs
    "Singular [...] kind of [...] can also be followed by plural nouns, especially in an informal style. [...]"

    These kind of Xs
    "[...] these [...] can also be used.[...] This structure is often felt to be incorrect,"

    I supposed from these explanations that both were informal or at least occured especially in an informal style.

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    #10

    Re: This kind of a X, this kind of X, Xs of this kind

    Dear fivejedjon,

    I had misunderstood the meaning of the word informal. After re-reading your last post, I recognised that I could not have understood what you were talking about the informality of the expressions we discussed.
    I sincerely apologise for falsely suggesting that you misread my post.

    I have understood you as follows:
    Being informal implies the notion of being educated; hence, something often felt to be incorrect cannot be considered informal.
    Being informal and being used especially in an informal style are not the same thing.

    I apologise to you again.


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