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    until now

    I didn't know I was wrong until now. (= But I know I was wrong now.)
    I don't know/haven't found out if I'm wrong until now. (I still don't know)

    The first 'until now' doesn't equal the second?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Re: until now

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    I didn't know I was wrong until now. (= But I know I was wrong now.)
    I don't know/haven't found out if I'm wrong until now yet. (I still don't know)

    The first 'until now' doesn't equal the second?

    Thank you in advance.
    Hi joham,

    IMO it sounds strange, in this context, to relate "until now" to a present tense.

    Hope it helps.

    Greetings,

    Charliedeut

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    Re: until now

    It would be better to use 'yet' or 'so far'. In older texts, and in some mannered speech, you may also meet 'thus far'. The word 'heretofore' is similarly obscure (don't be intimidated by all those letters - it's pronounced as three words: 'here' + 'to' + 'fore'. 'Hitherto' (and its close relative 'thitherto', which instead of 'until now' it means 'until then') are too archaic to worry about.

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    Last edited by BobK; 20-Jan-2011 at 11:48. Reason: Added last sentence

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    Re: until now

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    I didn't know I was wrong until now. (= But I know I was wrong now.)
    I don't know/haven't found out if I'm wrong until now. (I still don't know)

    The first 'until now' doesn't equal the second?

    Thank you in advance.
    We often use the verb "realize" here.
    I didn't realize until now that I was wrong.
    I don't think your second sentence works. If you still don't know you are wrong, you can't say, "I still don't realize that I am/was wrong", or "I don't know that I am wrong yet" or however you want to phrase it.

    Of course, the context might make it usable.
    "I've heard nothing yet to show that I'm wrong."
    "I'm still not convinced that I am wrong."

    As the others have said, "until now" does tend to suggest that you 'now' realize you were wrong.

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    Re: until now

    Then can we say 'Up to now/Up until now he's still here'?

    Thank you again.

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    Re: until now

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    Then can we say 'Up to now/Up until now he's still here'?

    Thank you again.
    It adds nothing to "He's still here". "Still" means "up until now" in this context.

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