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    Object of the preposition

    Is it proper to say, "School is closed for Friday, January 21, 2011." To me it seems incorrect because "Friday," the object of the preposition seems, at best, awkward and, at worst, incorrect. You close FOR a holiday, or you close FOR renovations; you don't close FOR Friday. Am I correct?

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    Re: Object of the preposition

    I would say school is closed on Friday, not for Friday.

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    Post Re: Object of the preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by sattlesey View Post
    Is it proper to say, "School is closed for Friday, January 21, 2011." To me it seems incorrect because "Friday," the object of the preposition seems, at best, awkward and, at worst, incorrect. You close FOR a holiday, or you close FOR renovations; you don't close FOR Friday. Am I correct?
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    To me, the sentence reads fine. Just as you'd be saying School is closed for the next 24 hours/two weeks. For = for a particular period of time.

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    Re: Object of the preposition

    So it's one for and one against. That leaves me right where I was. Thanks for your responses.

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    Re: Object of the preposition

    In AusE, and I suspect everywhere else in English-speaking world, we'd say, "on Friday".

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    Re: Object of the preposition

    Soothing Dave and Raymott are right.

    Only on is correct.

    Engee should delete his wrong answer.

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    Re: Object of the preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Engee should delete his wrong answer.

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    In that case, they should do the same in the BNC - my answer was based on their example:
    [...] Theatres closed: Operating theatres were closed at Bishop Auckland Hospital at the weekend. All emergency cases needing surgery were taken instead to Darlington Memorial Hospital. A hospital spokesman said: " The theatres were closed for Saturday and Sunday for routine maintenance and refurbishment. [...]

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    Re: Object of the preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    In that case, they should do the same in the BNC - my answer was based on their example:
    Funny old world, isn't it?

    When I (on another thread) use corpora in support of my argument, you can simply ignore them. When a corpus appears to support your case, it appears to become an authority.

    We have a native speaker of AmE writing, "I would say "on"; we have a native speaker of AusE writing, "In AusE, and I suspect everywhere else in English-speaking world, we'd say, "on Friday"; and we have a native speaker of BrE writing, " Only on is correct."

    I would not go a far as Rover and state categorically that you are wrong, but I agree with the feeling that 'on' is far and away the more acceptable preposition for native speakers.

    You, I, and all the members I have named thus far can think of occasions when a case can be made for 'for' being acceptable. However, as a straightforward answer to sattlesey's original question, SoothingDave's response is one to which few native speakers would object; it is also the most useful one for learners.

    As in other threads, you, a native speaker of Polish, appear to think you know better than native speakers.

    I will add, before anyone accuses me of smugly dismissing non-native speakers, that I feel strongly that informed non-native speakers have made invaluable contributions to the understanding of English grammar. Those of us who read in the field have learnt a lot from Christophersen, Declerck, Jespersen, Kruisinga, Poutsma, Sandved, Schibsbye and many others. In UsingEnglish.com, Birdeen's Call (to name but one) has brought wisdom and insight to many threads.

    Your contributions in the last few weeks have not yet encouraged me to think that your words carry as much weight as the others I have mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Funny old world, isn't it?

    When I (on another thread) use corpora in support of my argument, you can simply ignore them. When a corpus appears to support your case, it appears to become an authority.
    Believe or not, fivejedjon, but I did that on purpose, with you in mind - first, I did a search for closed + [nn*]; then, when I had found one example on the BNC, I wrote the words of my opinion, biased actually by the corpus example; finally, I did the copy-paste thing of the example and waited for your reaction. And, as it happens, you cannot fully trust such devices as the BNC and the like, for you can always be told by some that it is wrong to say or write like that. Funny, innit?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    We have a native speaker of AmE writing, "I would say "on"; we have a native speaker of AusE writing, "In AusE, and I suspect everywhere else in English-speaking world, we'd say, "on Friday"; and we have a native speaker of BrE writing, " Only on is correct."
    Since the BNC and similar corpora are based on the English language and its everyday use, how can one be sure that what s/he can find on the datebase is wrong or right? I do realize that natives seem to always be right, or are they not, sometimes?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    As in other threads, you, a native speaker of Polish, appear to think you know better than native speakers.
    That's your own opinion, and I respect it. You must, however, take into consideration that most of my opinions presented on the forum are based on different sources I am in possession of, most of which are published by the foremost publishers (I reckon you know which ones I am referring to now).

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Your contributions in the last few weeks have not yet encouraged me to think that your words carry as much weight as the others I have mentioned.
    Time will tell whether you've been right or wrong about me. Judging a book by its cover is never a good idea to have.

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    Re: Object of the preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    Believe or not, fivejedjon, but I did that on purpose, with you in mind
    I feel that the idea behind 'Ask a Teacher' is for learners to be assisted. If you wish to set up points simply to see how I react, then I would suggest that Private Messages are the way to do this.

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