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    Re: what is the truth/what the truth is

    In copulative constructions (SVC), C is the subject complement, which is either adjectival, nominal, or adverbial. There is no object there.

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    Re: what is the truth/what the truth is

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamako3 View Post
    In copulative constructions (SVC), C is the subject complement, which is either adjectival, nominal, or adverbial. There is no object there.

    That's what I already know, Bamako3. For the sake of simplicity, I used the term object instead of complement, so that the asker would easily get the idea of the difference between the subject and the complement (object) in the sentences in question.

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    Re: what is the truth/what the truth is

    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    For the sake of simplicity, I used the term object instead of complement
    They are chalk and cheese, eng. Crack a decent book on syntax and you will see.

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    Re: what is the truth/what the truth is

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamako3 View Post
    They are chalk and cheese, eng. Crack a decent book on syntax and you will see.
    I've got a few of such already. I know that complement is the right term in this case, but isn't the complement the object to the verb?

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    Re: what is the truth/what the truth is

    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    but isn't the complement the object to the verb?
    Nein. An object to the verb is sometimes referred to as a complement (as it adds to the completion of the verb's meaning), but never the reverse.

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    Re: what is the truth/what the truth is

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamako3 View Post
    Nein. An object to the verb is sometimes referred to as a complement (as it adds to the completion of the verb's meaning), but never the reverse.
    You're absolutely right about that. Just have a look at the following, a simple definition of the term object taken from Collins:

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    4. In grammar, the object of a verb or a preposition is the word or phrase which completes the structure begun by the verb or preposition.

    (c) HarperCollins Publishers.

    That's exactly what I meant by simplicity, Bamako3.

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    Re: what is the truth/what the truth is

    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    In grammar, the object of a verb or a preposition is the word or phrase which completes the structure begun by the verb or preposition.
    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    You're absolutely right about that.
    Am I right? How is that? The quoted parts above do not tally.


    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    Just have a look at the following, a simple definition of the term object taken from Collins:
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    4. In grammar, the object of a verb or a preposition is the word or phrase which completes the structure begun by the verb or preposition.
    That Collins must be a bit of a square peg in a round hole. More than 99% of English grammars would label "what" in "What is it?" as a subject complement, rather than as an object. That less than 1% are you and your Collins.

    This is what another Collins says:

    a noun, pronoun, or noun phrase that receives the action of a verb or is governed by a preposition,
    Collins: The Dictionary Meaning of object

    How inconsistent those Collins' are!



    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    That's exactly what I meant by simplicity, Bamako3.
    Thank you, engee, but I would rather stick to my guns.

    I rest my case. Thanks for the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamako3 View Post
    Thank you, engee, but I would rather stick to my guns.
    So be it, Bamako3. Surprisingly, I am in possession of your other Collins source as well.

    To make things worse - here's another bit concerning the matter by Collins:

    complement

    5. In grammar, the complement of a link verb is an adjective group or noun group which comes after the verb and describes or identifies the subject. For example, in the sentence `They felt very tired', `very tired' is the complement. In `They were students', `students' is the complement.

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