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    What does "as" add to the sentence below?

    The truthfulness of the declaration on this matter must be assessed only as at the time when it was made.

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    Re: As

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    What does "as" add to the sentence below?

    The truthfulness of the declaration on this matter must be assessed only as at the time when it was made.

    Thanks!

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    It could mean that one should base their judgement on the conditions that did exist at the time such a declaration was being made.


    Hope others will comment on this.

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    Re: As

    I think that if the "as" were omitted one would be obliged to make one's assessment of the truthfulness of the declaration at the time the declaration was made, and not postpone the assessment.

    The "as" permits the assessment to be done later, but truthfulness has to be measured against facts and circumstances as they were when the declaration was made, not as they may have subsequently become. In other words "as at" is equivalent to "as it was at".

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    Re: As

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    What does "as" add to the sentence below?

    The truthfulness of the declaration on this matter must be assessed only as at the time when it was made.

    Thanks!
    Well, it doesn't "add" anything for me. Also, because the declaration was "made" in the past, I would prefer the statement to read, "The truthfulness of the declaration on this matter should have been assessed only at the time when it was made". And maybe we could delete "when" too. What do you think, Jasmin?

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    Re: As

    Quote Originally Posted by billmcd View Post
    Well, it doesn't "add" anything for me. Also, because the declaration was "made" in the past, I would prefer the statement to read, "The truthfulness of the declaration on this matter should have been assessed only at the time when it was made". And maybe we could delete "when" too. What do you think, Jasmin?
    I'm not sure what to think. Probus is probably right: "as" is short for "as it was."

    "The truthfulness of the declaration must be assessed only as it was at the time when it was made."

    In other words, if the declaration changes after being made, this will not affect the assessment of the declaration since only its initial version may be assessed.

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    Re: As

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    I'm not sure what to think. Probus is probably right: "as" is short for "as it was."

    "The truthfulness of the declaration must be assessed only as it was at the time when it was made."

    In other words, if the declaration changes after being made, this will not affect the assessment of the declaration since only its initial version may be assessed.
    I agree. I don't think there's much support in the sentence for bill's version. I can't see any evidence of an assertion that the assessment should have been made at the time - though I'd be interested in seeing the argument for it.
    "must be assessed" and "should have been assessed" mean different things.

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