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    YaninaG is offline Newbie
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    Default query on syntactic analysis

    I would like to discuss how to analyse this sentence:
    I saw her crying.
    In my opinion, crying cannot be analysed as an objective complement because, according to R.Quirk, an o.complement shares the same characteristics of the subjective complement. Then, i should say the relationship is not an intensive one in this sentence.
    As far as i am concerned, i would analyse HER CRYING as an object relised by a non finite clause with its own subject (not the same subject as the one in the main clause)
    What is your view on the topic?
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    Default Re: query on syntactic analysis

    I am not a teacher.

    I would call "crying" an adjective modifying "her", pure and simple. I saw her green with envy. I saw her enraged. You saw a crying Matilda.

    "Saw" cannot operate on "her" in a way that permits "crying" to be an object complement, and it is not copulative, either.

    I can think of no objection to your view that "her crying" is a clause used as an object, though.

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    Default Re: query on syntactic analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by YaninaG View Post
    I would like to discuss how to analyse this sentence:
    I saw her crying.
    In my opinion, crying cannot be analysed as an objective complement because, according to R.Quirk, an o.complement shares the same characteristics of the subjective complement. Then, i should say the relationship is not an intensive one in this sentence.
    As far as i am concerned, i would analyse HER CRYING as an object relised by a non finite clause with its own subject (not the same subject as the one in the main clause)
    What is your view on the topic?
    Thanks
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    Ms. G.,


    (1) I do not know what Professor Quirk said, but I know that

    many people respect his opinions.

    (2) I have found, however, two examples from grammar books that

    feel a sentence such as yours is an example of an objective complement.

    (a) We found him strumming a guitar. The words in bold modifies the

    direct object him.

    Source: Pence & Emery, A Grammar of Present-Day English (New York:
    Macmillan Publishing, 1963), p. 50.

    (b) We saw them eating peanuts. The same analysis as for (a).

    Source: House & Harman, Descriptive English Grammar (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1950), page 291.

    *****


    By the way, House & Harman agree with you on one point:

    The object and ... the objective complement have the force

    of a clause, though they do not constitute a true clause, for a

    clause should contain a finite (predicating) verb; and participles

    are nonfinite verb forms.

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    Default Re: query on syntactic analysis

    IMO it goes like this:

    1. I saw [her (to) cry].
    2. I saw [her (to be) crying].

    In either sentence, the bracketed part, a nonfinite clause, is the direct object of "saw". It is "she was crying" or "she cried" that received my seeing, and not "she".

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    Default Re: query on syntactic analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolfootluke View Post
    I am not a teacher.

    I would call "crying" an adjective modifying "her", pure and simple.
    Let us take a look at what implications your view would have:


    I saw her very crying.
    I saw her crying intensely.

    "intensely" is a VP adverb and hinges on "crying.


    The present participle "crying" seems to have more like a verbal force than an adjectival force.

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    Default Re: query on syntactic analysis

    Thank you very much, indeed and sorry for replying so late. The thing is, i did not receive an e mail to let me know i had been replied. This is how it works, isnt it? Sorry, but im new here.
    Its great to share opinions. TA!

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