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    Hello dear UE users,

    Let's say that I'm talking to a man and he knows that I was at home the saturday night

    How do we form this sentence:

    I'm sure that you have the knowledge of me being at home the saturday night or

    I'm sure that you have the knowledge that I was at home the saturday night

    which one is correct "have the knowledge that" or "have the knowledge of"
    I know that if a noun comes it must be "have the knowledge of" but if a subject+verb comes what happens?
    must it be "have the knowledge of" or "have the knowledge that"

    you can explain that by giving the example above

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    Default Re: have the knowledge that/have the knowledge of"

    Quote Originally Posted by egerol1 View Post
    Hello dear UE users,

    Let's say that I'm talking to a man and he knows that I was at home the saturday night

    How do we form this sentence:

    I'm sure that you have the knowledge of me being at home on Saturday night or

    I'm sure that you have the knowledge that I was at home on Saturday night

    which one is correct "have the knowledge that" or "have the knowledge of"
    I know that if a noun comes it must be "have the knowledge of" but if a subject+verb comes what happens?
    must it be "have the knowledge of" or "have the knowledge that"

    you can explain that by giving the example above
    In reality, we say "know", not "have the knowledge".
    Grammatically, both of your sentences are alright, but don't expect to hear them used.

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    Default Re: have the knowledge that/have the knowledge of"

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    In reality, we say "know", not "have the knowledge" in this sort of context
    Grammatically, both of your sentences are alright, but don't expect to hear them used.
    But in formal contexts - particularly in matters of the law - people do use the expressions 'have knowledge, 'have the knowledge', and 'with/without knowledge' of'; I get the impression that it's more common in the negative: 'Does the witness really want us to believe that he had no knowledge of the affair? His actions suggest that he did know about it.'

    Sometimes, even in a less-formal - non-judicial - context, people who would normally say 'I didn't know about it' will try to make their assertion more weighty by using the more formal form: 'I had no knowledge of it'.

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    Default Re: have the knowledge that/have the knowledge of"

    then

    have the knowledge of+noun and

    have the knowledge that+subject+verb is correct

    are both structures correct?

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    Default Re: have the knowledge that/have the knowledge of"

    Quote Originally Posted by egerol1 View Post
    then

    have the knowledge of+noun and

    have the knowledge that+subject+verb is correct

    are both structures correct?
    I agree with Bob about "have no knowledge of". I still don't think the form with "the" is common at all. It's possible in formal contexts to say things like, "Do you have any knowledge of this subject at all?" A teacher might say that.

    In the light of that, I'll answer your question with the negative form, and without the 'the'.
    "... have no knowledge of something" and " ... have no knowledge that something happened" are both correct.

    * "I have the knowledge of this subect" and "I have the knowledge of what happened" are not right.

    You can say, "I have some knowledge of this, but not a lot"; "I have a certain knowledge of this." (means 'some'); "I have a vague knowledge of what happened."

    You can use "the" when there is an adjective, and when a specific knowledge is referred to:
    "Do you have the required knowledge to work this machine?"
    "I think I have the knowledge necessary to be a teacher."

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    Default Re: have the knowledge that/have the knowledge of"

    thanks very much raymott so we don't use "the" with "knowledge" except there is an adjective

    and "... have no knowledge of something" and " ... have no knowledge that something happened" are both correct.
    if this is like that I UNDERSTOOD perfectly.thanks again

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    Default Re: have the knowledge that/have the knowledge of"

    Quote Originally Posted by egerol1 View Post
    thanks very much raymott so we don't use "the" with "knowledge" except there is an adjective
    In general, yes - in the context we are discussing.

    and "... have no knowledge of something" and " ... have no knowledge that something happened" are both correct.
    if this is like that I UNDERSTOOD perfectly.thanks again
    R.

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    Default Re: have the knowledge that/have the knowledge of"

    Quote Originally Posted by egerol1 View Post
    thanks very much raymott so we don't use "the" with "knowledge" except there is an adjective

    and "... have no knowledge of something" and " ... have no knowledge that something happened" are both correct.
    if this is like that I UNDERSTOOD perfectly.thanks again
    Egerol, please use capital letters correctly. Remember that every sentence should start with a capital letter.

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