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    Do you use L-vocalization in IŽll, WeŽll, ...?

    Hi. IŽm a ESL student and I wonder if you use the L-vocalization in these cases at least when you speak quickly.

    For example: IŽll have -> /aiohæf ... /

    I find difficult to pronounce the Dark-L at the end of those words and even more when I try to speak quickly.


    Thank you very much, great forum.

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    Re: Do you use L-vocalization in IŽll, WeŽll, ...?

    Quote Originally Posted by NaVaS View Post
    Hi. IŽm a ESL student and I wonder if you use the L-vocalization in these cases at least when you speak quickly.

    For example: IŽll have -> /aiohæv ... /

    I find difficult to pronounce the Dark-L at the end of those words and even more when I try to speak quickly.


    Thank you very much, great forum.
    No we don't, sorry.

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    Re: Do you use L-vocalization in IŽll, WeŽll, ...?

    Quote Originally Posted by NaVaS View Post
    Hi. IŽm a ESL student and I wonder if you use the L-vocalization in these cases at least when you speak quickly.

    For example: IŽll have -> /aiohæf ... /

    I find difficult to pronounce the Dark-L at the end of those words and even more when I try to speak quickly.


    Thank you very much, great forum.
    You don't have to pronounce the dark l there. You can use the clear l. Why do you want to use the dark l?

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    Re: Do you use L-vocalization in IŽll, WeŽll, ...?

    Mates, IŽm very confused.

    IŽve read Dark-L is used at the end of a syllable or a word. So, is it an exception or what?

    I still canŽt post urls but there are several in google.

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    Re: Do you use L-vocalization in IŽll, WeŽll, ...?

    Quote Originally Posted by NaVaS View Post
    Mates, IŽm very confused.

    IŽve read Dark-L is used at the end of a syllable or a word. So, is it an exception or what?

    I still canŽt post urls but there are several in google.
    It depends on which English accent is spoken. Some native speakers never use the dark l and so can you, if that's your wish. It shouldn't make your speech less comprehensible, at least not much less. And if the sound is causing you trouble, there may be no reason for you to struggle with it.

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    Re: Do you use L-vocalization in IŽll, WeŽll, ...?

    Quote Originally Posted by NaVaS View Post

    IŽve read Dark-L is used at the end of a syllable or a word. So, is it an exception or what?
    Professor Roach claims (English Phonetics and Phonology, 2000) that dark l never occurs before vowels in RP.

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    Re: Do you use L-vocalization in IŽll, WeŽll, ...?

    I really donŽt know why you guys say this.


    Dark L in american pronunciation:

    youtube.com/watch?v=RIrqtZ9LNwk

    youtube.com/watch?v=t-mse9XXfDI


    Please, watch these videos.
    Last edited by NaVaS; 20-Mar-2011 at 11:27.

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    Re: Do you use L-vocalization in IŽll, WeŽll, ...?

    In some BrE dialects such as Cockney and Estuary English, the dark 'l' may be realised as a vowel.

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