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    Post A Sound in the Middle position

    Hello,

    Would you please explain for me: What does it mean a sound in the middle position ?

    For example: the word Spy written phonetically [spai] and phonemically / spai/

    So, do we say here that the sound /s/ is in the middle position for both cases? and why?

    Thank you.

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    Re: A Sound in the Middle position

    Isn't a sound in the middle position when it's in the middle of the word, yousrati? It's the first time I see the term, but that's how I would interpret it. What's a middle position?

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    Re: A Sound in the Middle position

    A middle position means where we can find the sound. In another word let us take the example of /p/ sound:

    - It is in the Initial position when the word starts with it: problem
    - It is in the middle position normally when it is in the middle like: Interpret
    - It is in the final position when it is in the end of the word: slump

    But my problem is:

    In the case of cluster as it is given above “spy” do we consider the /p/ sound in the initial or middle position?

    Thank you.

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    Re: A Sound in the Middle position

    /p/ in the middle position in "spy" then. It's in the middle of the word. /s/ is in the initial position, because the word starts with it. I just used your definition. Is this what you were asking?

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    Re: A Sound in the Middle position

    Quote Originally Posted by yousrati View Post
    In the case of cluster as it is given above spy do we consider the /p/ sound in the initial or middle position?
    In word-initial clusters. E.g.: /sp/ spare, /st/ stain, /sm/ smoke, /sk/ scarce, etc.

    Gimson also shows these examples in word-final clusters, /sp(s,t)/ gasp(s, ed), /st(s) rest(s), /sk(s,t) ask(s, ed), etc.

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    Re: A Sound in the Middle position

    Yes, this is what I meant. May be I can be more explicit if I say:

    In case of cluster, that is two consonants followed by vowel example:
    Spy / s p ai/ there is the cluster /s p/ and the diphthong /ai/

    So, is the /p / considered as a sound in the initial position or in the middle because it is preceeded by /s/ sound?
    Thank you.

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    Re: A Sound in the Middle position

    Quote Originally Posted by yousrati View Post
    So, is the /p / considered as a sound in the initial position or in the middle because it is preceeded by /s/ sound?
    It seems that the answer is here:
    What are phonics blends?
    "Consonant blends that appear at the beginning of a word, are referred to as Initial Consonant Blends or beginning blends, and those that appear at the end of a word are referred to as Final Consonant Blends or end blends."

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    Re: A Sound in the Middle position

    Quote Originally Posted by yousrati View Post
    So, is the /p / considered as a sound in the initial position or in the middle because it is preceeded by /s/ sound?
    yousrati,

    As the sound /p/ is part of the cluster /sp/ in the word "spy", Id say that /s/ and /p/ are both in the initial position.
    (Im not a native speaker.)

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