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    #11

    Re: How bad or annoying is my accent?

    Well, Armani, are you going to tell us now?

    I think enough people have said/implied that you sound like a native speaker to reassure you on that point.

    When you do tell us, it would be interesting for us to have as much information as you care to share.

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    #12

    Re: How bad or annoying is my accent?

    As an Australian, I thought you sounded like a native of south-east England. I don't know enough to be more specific than that. No trace of Australian-ness to me.

    Before I read Coolfootluke's post, I also had Freema Agyeman in my mind (but to me, she is from Doctor Who).

    I also agree with fivejedjon - your accent is familiar and easy to understand but your tone was very flat in that video. I suspect you speak with more expression in normal conversation, though.

    In short: relax, you sound fine.

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    #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munch View Post
    As an Australian, I thought you sounded like a native of south-east England. I don't know enough to be more specific than that. No trace of Australian-ness to me.
    That's interesting.

    I suspect that some features of the language of younger people, mainly from the south-east of England, are 'not really British' to older, conservative speakers of RP. It may be the flattening of some vowels that makes them think it sounds Australian.

    I thought that perhaps Australians did not consider these features to be Australian, and you have confirmed this for me.

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    #14

    Re: How bad or annoying is my accent?

    I've been interested in people's comments on this so here's my two cents' worth. For me the first three or four phrases immediately place Armani in London and like Fivejj I also thought I detected a slight Indian influence, but less so as she continued talking. As a non-Australian who has lived in Sydney and Melbourne on and off, at no stage would I have thought her accent Australian. But if she told me she had spent some time in Oz when growing up I might hear it here and there ("stay away", "give", "isn't") but it certainly doesn't jump out. Things like "couldn't fight it" and "uninvited" sound 100% SE Eng to me. The other thing I wanted to say, as other folk here have, is that there is nothing bad or annoying about this accent.

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    #15

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    The recording sounds like a fairly standard London/SE England young speaker to me. I suppose the pronunciation of true at the beginning might be where the Australian idea comes from, but it's a pronunciation I hear in the UK.

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    #16

    Re: How bad or annoying is my accent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    The recording sounds like a fairly standard London/SE England young speaker to me. I suppose the pronunciation of true at the beginning might be where the Australian idea comes from, but it's a pronunciation I hear in the UK.
    Right, the pronunciation of "true" sounded Australian to me, as well as other words. For example I hear "over" pronounced as in the cultivated variety ([əʉ]), which is most similar to south-eastern British accents among the three main varieties of AusE.

    Since even Munch and JMurray don't hear Australian-ness in the OP's speech, I will probably have to withdraw my opinion. I only want to ask one more question before I do that. By "no trace of Australian-ness" did you mean no trace of broad Australian accent (most "Australian") or the general accent (most used), or no trace of AusE at all?
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    #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    By "no trace of Australian-ness" did you mean no trace of broad Australian accent (most "Australian") or the general accent (most used), or no trace of AusE at all?
    Tdol will answer in due course, but I am adding my bit here as I wrote, " I could not detect any Australian influence". I meant, "No trace of AusE at all". Thirty years ago I might have answered differently, but I now consider such an accent to be completely British.

    It could be that the popularity in Britain of Australian series such as 'Neighbours' a quarter of a century ago may have had some influence on the language of younger people (perhaps, for example, the High rising terminal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), but the accent we are talking about is now British. Any Australian influence there might be is historical.

    At least, that's my opinion.

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    #18

    Re: How bad or annoying is my accent?

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    The Australian accents are similar to that spoken in the south-east of England
    Yes, there seem to be some Australian influences there, as in "yesterdie". But the vowels in "fight it", uninvited" are British. It wouldn't pass as a true Australian accent.
    Still, it's quite nice. Also impressive for a native Portuguese.

    PS: In fact the influence might not be Australian, since the Romance languages pronounce 'ai' as /aI/, where in English it's /eI/. That is, it might be L1 interference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Tdol will answer in due course, but I am adding my bit here as I wrote, " I could not detect any Australian influence". I meant, "No trace of AusE at all". Thirty years ago I might have answered differently, but I now consider such an accent to be completely British.

    It could be that the popularity in Britain of Australian series such as 'Neighbours' a quarter of a century ago may have had some influence on the language of younger people (perhaps, for example, the High rising terminal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), but the accent we are talking about is now British. Any Australian influence there might be is historical.

    At least, that's my opinion.
    I agree with Raymott that some sounds could be interpreted as Australian-influenced but I also think you might be on to something, fivejedjon. Over the last ten years or so, I have met a few young people from South-East England whose accents surprised me by having features I previously thought were Australian.

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    #20

    Re: How bad or annoying is my accent?

    Here's something that seems relevant:
    Australian English (Aus.E.) is a "non-rhotic" (no syllable-final /r/) dialect of English and is very similar at a phonological level to South Eastern Urban British English. The main differences between these two dialects (at least as far as vowels are concerned) are in the areas of phoneme realisation and phoneme selection. In other words, the vowel phoneme repertoire is more or less identical but speakers of Australian English and British English pronounce them differently and sometimes choose to select different phonemes when pronouncing the same words. Australian English has traditionally been described (Mitchell, 1946; Mitchell & Delbridge, 1965) as consisting of a continuum of varieties: "Cultivated", "General", and "Broad". The Broad end of the continuum is the most marked Australian form whilst the Cultivated end of the continuum tends towards the British English Received Pronunciation (RP) form (although Bernard (1970) claims it is nevertheless quite distinctly Australian). About 2/3 of the Australian population speak the General variety. Like British English, Aus.E. consists of 11 monophthongs (ignoring schwa) and 5 closing diphthongs (see table 1, below). Both dialects, being non-rhotic, have a set of centring diphthongs (replacing /Vr/ sequences in rhotic dialects).
    (Vowel Perception in Australian English)

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