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    Default How to spell R

    We Indians generally don't know to pronounce R as the native English speakers in our talks, however we can make the sound (its written as zha)that seems similar to just like the natives.

    We give so much stress to the letter, that it looks like its gonna fly out of our mouths...RRRRRed instead of jus Red.got it?

    Now my question is the sound (zha or zhe) same as native English (mostly Americans than British) speakers for r?

    To get a taste of that sound, i link you to a Tamil song, in which the singer uses zha. Its between 43 and 44 seconds into the song. The singer sings "mazhaiai" which means rain.

    So for us Indians, Red spoken (by natives), would sound as Zhed.

    The song : youtube.com/watch?v=gmwkjlwziC8


    Lyrics: tinyurl.com/49g3a3n

    Thanks

    I know its confusing..sorry
    Last edited by hellbraker; 26-Feb-2011 at 16:41.

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    Default Re: How to spell R

    I'm not sure what they're using in the song, but after taking a look at Malayalam phonology, I'd say that the closest thing to an English "r" would be /ɻ/, which is ഴ in Malayalam (considering that വഴി is /ʋɐɻi/ according to Wikipedia); in fact /ɻ/ can still be found in American English.

    EDIT: If ഴ is "zh," then yeah, it's correct, though the most common realization of "r" is /ɹ/.
    Last edited by thatone; 26-Feb-2011 at 13:37.

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    Default Re: How to spell R

    [QUOTE=hellbraker;718940]...
    To get a taste of that sound, i link you to a Tamil song, in which the singer uses zha. Its between 33 and 34 seconds into the song. The singer sings "mazhaiai" which means rain.

    So for us Indians, Red spoken (by natives), would sound as Zhed.

    The song : youtube.com/watch?v=gmwkjlwziC8
    .../QUOTE]
    From 0'14" to 0'40" (maybe before and after - I'm not made of time) there is no voice. I think you may be referring to what is called 'a rolled R'. Not every speaker of Br Eng can do it (in my choir, for example, the conductor says things like "Emphasize the 'r'. Those who can roll it, do.) And while some speakers of Br Eng can do it, and do do it sometimes, it's not phonemic - as it is, say, in Spanish (where it distinguishes between pero (=but) and perro (=dog)).

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    Default Re: How to spell R

    [QUOTE=BobK;719086]
    Quote Originally Posted by hellbraker View Post
    ...
    To get a taste of that sound, i link you to a Tamil song, in which the singer uses zha. Its between 33 and 34 seconds into the song. The singer sings "mazhaiai" which means rain.

    So for us Indians, Red spoken (by natives), would sound as Zhed.

    The song : youtube.com/watch?v=gmwkjlwziC8
    .../QUOTE]
    From 0'14" to 0'40" (maybe before and after - I'm not made of time) there is no voice. I think you may be referring to what is called 'a rolled R'. Not every speaker of Br Eng can do it (in my choir, for example, the conductor says things like "Emphasize the 'r'. Those who can roll it, do.) And while some speakers of Br Eng can do it, and do do it sometimes, it's not phonemic - as it is, say, in Spanish (where it distinguishes between pero (=but) and perro (=dog)).

    b

    im sorry, the timings are from 43 to 44 seconds. Thanks for your comments. I was refering to the ഴ in Malayalam which is /ɻ/ as thatone said.

    So using /ɻ/ is still correct. Hmmm..Thanks :)

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