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    Default Dare as a modal verb in the past

    In this thread it is said that

    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...odal-verb.html

    "B Dared you contradict her? <auxiliary verb>
    In B, dared carries the past tense marker"


    So, shall I take it as modal dare has its past form expressed by DARED?

    Could you then explain to me the difference?

    (1)I dared enter the room.
    (2)I dare have entered the room.

    (I think that modal verbs can easily take perfect infinititve as in (2)

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    In this thread it is said that

    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...odal-verb.html

    "B Dared you contradict her? <auxiliary verb>
    In B, dared carries the past tense marker"


    So, shall I take it as modal dare has its past form expressed by DARED?

    Could you then explain to me the difference?

    (1)I dared enter the room.
    (2)I dare have entered the room.

    (I think that modal verbs can easily take perfect infinititve as in (2)
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    The modal verb dare doesn't normally take a perfect infinitive - the reason being that it is not the same as other modal verbs like could or should - the others can convey an idea of possibility, probability etc.; dare cannot.

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    The safest advice I can offer to learners is, "Do not use dare as a modal verb". In informal conversation we don't use dare much anyway, partcularly in the affirmative, even as a full verb; we prefer alternatives.

    ? I dared to cross the road.
    I wasn't afraid to cross the road.
    I plucked up my courage to cross the road
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    The modal dare is so rarely used in the past, that it is almost true to say that the usage it is archaic

    Dared you contradict her? Unnatural for most speakers.
    I dared enter the room. Probably more natural with dared to.
    I dare have entered the room. I cannot think of a situation in which this would be a natural, acceptable utterance.

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    What about affirmative sentences in the present? I heard that it's not very good to use dare in such sentences.

    I dare (to) go there.

    Is it true?

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    What about affirmative sentences in the present? I heard that it's not very good to use dare in such sentences.

    I dare (to) go there.

    Is it true?
    Yes, that's true. Just use other verbs that would convey the meaning of your choice.

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post

    The modal dare is so rarely used in the past, that it is almost true to say that the usage it is archaic

    I dare have entered the room. I cannot think of a situation in which this would be a natural, acceptable utterance.
    True, but "I didn't dare enter the room" is quite acceptable.
    "I didn't dare tell her what I really thought", etc.

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    What about the future tense with dare?


    I will dare to dream of the future.

    Is it ok to use it? I think there must be a modal aspect of will involved. Or is it not involved?

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    What about the future tense with dare?

    I will dare to dream of the future.
    This is not right.

    Is it ok to use it? I think there must be a modal aspect of will involved. Or is it not involved?
    A: "Do you think she'll got out with him?"
    B: "I don't think he will dare to ask her."

    If in doubt, don't use 'dare'. There are always other ways of saying these things.

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    A: "Do you think she'll got out with him?"
    B: "I don't think he will dare to ask her."

    If in doubt, don't use 'dare'. There are always other ways of saying these things.
    I am confused. Why is it wrong in my example and ok in yours?

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    Default Re: Dare as a modal verb in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    I am confused. Why is it wrong in my example and ok in yours?
    For the meaning of Raymott's sentence is negative; of yours not.

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