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    I am not a teacher.

    "Compelling", the adjective, is adspeak. If you use it at all, you will sound like your process is all TVed up. It is an empty word used by semi-literates who think it makes them seem more important. If ever you find that you've written it, delete it, and use a word or phrase that says what you actually mean, instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolfootluke View Post
    "Compelling", the adjective, is adspeak. If you use it at all, you will sound like your process is all TVed up. It is an empty word used by semi-literates who think it makes them seem more important.
    I must be semi-literate then.
    If ever you find that you've written it, delete it, and use a word or phrase that says what you actually mean, instead.
    Well, 'compelling' occasionally conveys what I actually mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolfootluke View Post
    I am not a teacher.

    "Compelling", the adjective, is adspeak. If you use it at all, you will sound like your process is all TVed up. It is an empty word used by semi-literates who think it makes them seem more important. If ever you find that you've written it, delete it, and use a word or phrase that says what you actually mean, instead.
    How about "compelling arguments"? Would you reject that too? It's quite common. To me, it means "particularly forceful/convincing arguments."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    How about "compelling arguments"? Would you reject that too? It's quite common. To me, it means "particularly forceful/convincing arguments."
    That's only because you were out sick the day they taught "cogent" in English class. "Compelling" is a vapid catch-all for those with limited vocabulary. You might as well say "awesome". (And I'll let this suffice as an answer to my friend 5 whose toes must be smarting. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolfootluke View Post
    That's only because you were out sick the day they taught "cogent" in English class. "Compelling" is a vapid catch-all for those with limited vocabulary. You might as well say "awesome". (And I'll let this suffice as an answer to my friend 5 whose toes must be smarting. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.)
    I respond only because I don't want learners to believe that your opinions, to which you have a perfect right, are not absolute rules.

    For most speakers of English on both sides of the pond, 'a compelling argument' is as acceptable an expression as 'a cogent argument'. I am in the business of helping learners acquire acceptable English, not of dictating my personal ideas on what the best style is.

    In this particular case, I feel that there are times when an argument may be compelling but nor necessarily cogent.

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    Dear Coolfootluke,

    Thank you for drawing my attention to two interesting words: 'cogent' and 'vapid'.
    They are definitely worth learning.
    But coming back to my post 'compelling' vs 'convincing'.
    The sentence I cited is taken from the article 'Students struggle for words', published on March 3, 2011 in the 'Wall Street Journal'. The author is Diana Middleton. Frankly, I do not think such a reputable magazine would employ staff with a limited knowledge of English. Being a non-native speaker, I can't argue with you, but I do come across the word 'compelling' in solid and reputable publications in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vectra View Post
    Dear Coolfootluke,

    Thank you for drawing my attention to two interesting words: 'cogent' and 'vapid'.
    They are definitely worth learning.
    But coming back to my post 'compelling' vs 'convincing'.
    The sentence I cited is taken from the article 'Students struggle for words', published on March 3, 2011 in the 'Wall Street Journal'. The author is Diana Middleton. Frankly, I do not think such a reputable magazine would employ staff with a limited knowledge of English. Being a non-native speaker, I can't argue with you, but I do come across the word 'compelling' in solid and reputable publications in English.
    I am not a teacher.

    Your point is well taken, but I'm afraid the only answer I have would seem immodest and harsh. Just be aware that there are others like me in the woodwork. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolfootluke View Post
    If you use it at all, you will sound like your process is all TVed up.
    What does TVed up mean?

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    Dear Coolfootluke,

    No ill grace or hard feelings on my part. Actually, the reason I post questions on this forum is to improve my English and, I have been quite open about it, to convey the information I receive to my students. Knowing how popular American English is, officially we stick to British English, and I have always thought it is not an issue really, I prefer to supply my students with more or less standard version that is acceptable and understandable everywhere.
    Your information is so unusual (LOL) and interesting. Do not hide in the woodwork next time I post a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    What does TVed up mean?
    I am not a teacher.

    It's a reference to a movie, "Twelve Monkeys". The Brad Pitt character is somewhat mentally unbalanced but quite clever. He complains to anyone who'll listen about the adverse effect that the media has had on the mind of the average person. He says that their "process" is that. Ironic, because I saw it on TV.

    I hope I didn't insult you too much---just the right amount. I wasn't talking about you, I'm sure you understand.

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