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    This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    What is the difference between?

    1) That was the first time he has seen the movie.
    2) That was the first time he had seen the movie.
    3) That was the first time he saw the movie.

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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    *Not a teacher

    The first one is not correct. In your example, you are not allowed to use a present tense in the subordinate clause because there is a past tense in the main clause, so in the subordinate clause must be used a past tense (past simple, past perfect, the future in the past etc).

    You can say: This is the first time he has seen this movie.

    The second one is good. You used a perfect tense (and a past tense, required by the sequence of tenses).

    The third one is also incorrect, we use perfect tenses with "the first time" (usually present perfect, but you are not allowed to use a present tense in your example (the sequence of tenses)).
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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    I didn't make them up but I picked them up from native speakers. I am pretty sure they are all correct.

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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    I didn't make them up but I picked them up from native speakers. I am pretty sure they are all correct.
    Then wait for a teacher to confirm, but I am sure about what I've said. The first one is not grammatically correct and the third one is not completely correct, it may be accepted, though.

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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by SirGod View Post
    The first one is not correct. .....You can say: This is the first time he has seen this movie.

    The second one is good.

    The third one is also incorrect [...] it may be accepted, though.

    Then wait for a teacher to confirm.
    Confirmed.
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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    Thank you fivejedjon,

    1) As for the first sentence. I am surprised to realize that you find it incorrect. Why do I think it is correct? Because this sentence was presented, so to speak, by a native speaker from Ireland. He is very much into English.

    Here it is another example which shouldn't be wrong


    Last week was the first time we have had snow in years.

    We can transform it into - That was the first time time we have had snow.

    If you find this sentence wrong, please, let me know.

    2) As for the second one. I am also surprised to know that you think it is not perfectly fine. I would realy like to know why you think so. A few native speakers confirmed that it is fine. Most of them were from the US some from England. So I am puzzled why you think they are not ok.

    3) I still would like to know the difference between them.

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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    I would like to back up the first sentence with additional examples

    1) That was the first time I have ever subscribed to the ancient, revered art of prostitution.

    2) I tried to restrain him before that . . . that was the first time I have felt that . . . we have always had, the children and I, have had a very physical, we are quite physical

    3) I had heard about smoking speed before but that was the first time I have even seen a speed pipe.

    4) I was exhausted, that was the first time I have ever been thoroughly exhausted.
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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    Thank you fivejedjon,

    1) As for the first sentence. I am surprised to realize that you find it incorrect. Why do I think it is correct? Because this sentence was presented, so to speak, by a native speaker from Ireland. He is very much into English.

    Here it is another example which shouldn't be wrong


    Last week was the first time we have had snow in years.

    We can transform it into - That was the first time time we have had snow.

    If you find this sentence wrong, please, let me know.

    2) As for the second one. I am also surprised to know that you think it is not perfectly fine. I would realy like to know why you think so. A few native speakers confirmed that it is fine. Most of them were from the US some from England. So I am puzzled why you think they are not ok.

    3) I still would like to know the difference between them.
    Nobody has said that the second one is wrong. It is the only one which is correct. I'm afraid that the Irish person you mention was not using correct English. Not all native speakers speak good English all the time.

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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    Oh, sorry, I meant the second one which was admitted to be not perfectly correct i.e. the third one. What about all the examples I have provided (post 7), are they also wrong?

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    Re: This is the first time/Past Simpel/Past Perfect/Present Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    1) As for the first sentence. I am surprised to realize that you find it incorrect. Why do I think it is correct? Because this sentence was presented, so to speak, by a native speaker from Ireland. He is very much into English.
    Fine - accept his opinion. If he is 'very much into' English, then I will stay out of it.

    2) As for the second third one. I am also surprised to know that you think it is not perfectly fine. I would realy like to know why you think so. A few native speakers confirmed that it is fine. Most of them were from the US some from England. So I am puzzled why you think they are not ok.
    If you are happy that this is 'perfectly fine', then stick with it, and don't worry about my views.

    3) I still would like to know the difference between them.
    Ask the native speaker who is so much into English.
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