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    I was curious if any of the native English speakers use some in this way:

    That dinner you're cooking smells some good.
    It was some cold this morning.

    In these sentences some means very, but I'm not sure you could just replace very with some in all situations.

    I've heard this from folks from Eastern Canada, Nova Scotia to be specific, and was curious to know if this occurs elsewhere.

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    Default Re: does anyone else use some in this manner

    Hi SanMar

    I wouldn't have used "some" but may have used "somewhat" meaning "quite" in that context.

    Hope this helps
    R21 (NES-UK)

    PS Actually, on reflection, I might have actually said: "That was some party that was!".

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    Some + noun is very common in AmE at least.

    I also have heard some + adjective, albeit infrequently. I consider it dialect and agree with SanMar that in Canada its use is largely confined to the eastern provinces.

    Like SanMar, I'm interested in learning whether it is heard elsewhere.

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    Hi probus/SanMar

    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post

    I also have heard some + adjective, albeit infrequently. I consider it dialect and agree with SanMar that in Canada its use is largely confined to the eastern provinces.

    Like SanMar, I'm interested in learning whether it is heard elsewhere.
    Following on from your above point, in UK English, "I only hope some good ["thing" being understood] comes from it" (i.e. some + adj) would also work for me.

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    Default Re: does anyone else use some in this manner

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    Following on from your above point, in UK English, "I only hope some good ["thing" being understood] comes from it" (i.e. some + adj) would also work for me.
    An interesting example, Route21, but I think 'good' is a noun here, as in:

    The evil that men do lives after them,
    The good is oft interred with their bones,...

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    Default Re: does anyone else use some in this manner

    Some, as used in my examples, would it be called an intensifier?
    It really isn't commonly used in the rest of Canada, and I've never heard it used that way in British English from my pretty limited experience anyway.

    also heard
    That was some storm storm we had yesterday.
    - similar to- That was some party.

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    Default Re: does anyone else use some in this manner

    Quote Originally Posted by SanMar View Post

    also heard
    That was some storm we had yesterday.
    - similar to- That was some party.
    Yes. that works for me in UK English.
    It would basically mean "That was an exceptional storm/party ...."

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    PS I agree with fivejedjon if "good" is treated as a noun in this case. The parentheses were included, at the last minute, as I was unsure how it would be interpreted. As a noun, it just adds to the "some" + noun options available in UK English.

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    Default Re: does anyone else use some in this manner

    The intensifier some is rare only in the some + adjective construction. Some + noun is common as dirt on both sides of the pond.

    Winston Churchill: "England will have her neck wrung like a chicken. Some chicken! Some neck!"

    That was some game last night!

    That's some bruise you've got there.

    Some kind of wonderful - song by Carol King, and a movie.

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    Default Re: does anyone else use some in this manner

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    Hi SanMar

    I wouldn't have used "some" but may have used "somewhat" meaning "quite" in that context.

    Hope this helps
    R21 (NES-UK)

    PS Actually, on reflection, I might have actually said: "That was some party that was!".
    thanks R21!, but do you use somewhat as similar to quite...

    here it means
    It was somewhat cold last week. -i understand this as a bit cold,
    It was quite cold yesterday. -more so than last week
    It is some cold today. -it is f*.. freezing!


    I think maybe somewhat means something different here than in the UK, may actually be the manner, the intonation in which it is said.

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    Default Re: does anyone else use some in this manner

    Hi SanMar

    My understanding of your "somewhat" sentences would be:

    It was somewhat/rather cold last week. - this would mean more than just a bit cold - exceptionally cold (relatively, of course).
    It was quite cold yesterday. - noticeably cooler than previously

    It is some cold today. - I'd never use this version - it doesn't work for me.

    The ambiguity with "somewhat/rather" is demonstrated in the "great or small" comment in the thesaurus section reference below and depends on the context:
    rather - definition of rather by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    rather - to some (great or small) extent; "it was rather cold"; "the party was rather nice"; "the knife is rather dull"; "I rather regret that I cannot attend"; "He's rather good at playing the cello"; "he is kind of shy"kind of, kinda, sort of

    Hope this helps
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    PS The reason for adding "relatively" is that, last week, the daytime temperature here dropped by 10C from a daily average, throughout the year, of 30-35C. The locals were "freezing" but for me, a Brit, it was just like a pleasant summer's day!

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