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    Present perfect

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    I would like a sound argument on the following: is there any situation in English when present perfect used with since/for denotes an action no longer taking place/happening in the present, but has, of course, present consequences? Or there is no such situation whatsoever?

    Thank you and I look forward to your answer!

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    Re: Present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by liliumcandidum View Post
    Hello,
    I would like a sound argument on the following: is there any situation in English when present perfect used with since/for denotes an action no longer taking place/happening in the present, but has, of course, present consequences? Or there is no such situation whatsoever?

    Thank you and I look forward to your answer!
    The station has been closed for ten years. The station has been closed since 2001.
    Is that what you mean?

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    Re: Present perfect

    Yes, something like that, although the ideea is the same as in the rest of the cases with for and since, i.e. the station is still closed; the finished action, that I referred to in my post, is that they stopped working there then, in the past. Did I understand correctly?

    I feel that Present Perfect has many more implications than the usual uses listed in grammar books, and that these implications depend very much on the semantic load each verb carries. Am I right?

    Thank you.

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    Re: Present perfect

    I've been to Italy twice.

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    I've been to Italy twice since my daughter died.

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    Re: Present perfect

    I"ve eaten there many times since we moved here, but the last few times were not very good. I think I will take it off my list and not eat there again.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Present perfect

    My feeling is that in all the above examples the underlying time reference is the past leading to the present.

    Eg "I've been there twice since.../for..." the implied time expression is in my life so far (which is continuing in the present).

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    Re: Present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Hill View Post
    My feeling is that in all the above examples the underlying time reference is the past leading to the present.

    Eg "I've been there twice since.../for..." the implied time expression is in my life so far (which is continuing in the present).
    Quite. But, as I see it, that was not the point of your original question.

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    Re: Present perfect

    "My grandfather has been dead for forty six years." In this sentence we can see that he died forty six years ago, he is not still dying but he is still dead. I would say that in terms of your original question, "... there is no such situation whatsoever".

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    Re: Present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    "My grandfather has been dead for forty six years." In this sentence we can see that he died forty six years ago, he is not still dying but he is still dead. I would say that in terms of your original question, "... there is no such situation whatsoever".
    It depends on how you read the original question:

    is there any situation in English when present perfect used with since/fordenotes an action no longer taking place/happening in the present, but has, of course, present consequences? Or there is no such situation whatsoever?

    I think that my "I've been to Italy twice since my daughter died" does denote an action no longer taking place/happening in the present but having present consequences.

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