Results 1 to 10 of 10
  1. #1
    joham is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    1,450
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default in advance/beforehand

    Details of the meeting had been circulated well in advance /beforehand.

    What's the difference between 'in advance' and 'beforehand'? Are they interchangeable?

    Thank you in advance (beforehand?).

  2. #2
    Rover_KE is offline Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • England
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    13,118
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    Details of the meeting had been circulated well in advance /beforehand.

    What's the difference between 'in advance' and 'beforehand'? There's no difference in that sentence. Are they interchangeable? They are in that sentence.

    Thank you in advance (beforehand?). They're not interchangeable there.
    Rover

  3. #3
    nyota's Avatar
    nyota is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Polish
      • Home Country:
      • Poland
      • Current Location:
      • Australia
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    615
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    I've always been uneasy about "thanking somebody in advance". I read it may be considered a bit rude as it suggests you're not eager to produce a follow-up response and also, it sort of assumes you'll get an answer. ;)

    Yet I think that a lot of users in this forum end their queries this way precisely for the opposite reason - they want to be polite. I've never seen any of the teachers or NESs complain about how the phrase is used here (I must admit I didn't do any thread digging though) but maybe you're just being understanding and polite yourself?

  4. #4
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj is offline VIP Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    28,169
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    Quote Originally Posted by nyota View Post
    I've always been uneasy about "thanking somebody in advance". I read it may be considered a bit rude as it suggests you're not eager to produce a follow-up response and also, it sort of assumes you'll get an answer. ;)

    Yet I think that a lot of users in this forum end their queries this way precisely for the opposite reason - they want to be polite. I've never seen any of the teachers or NESs complain about how the phrase is used here (I must admit I didn't do any thread digging though) but maybe you're just being understanding and polite yourself?
    I, personally, don't regard it as impolite. I appreciate the polite thought behind the words.

    What does make me less than happy sometimes is when members give some thought to an answer and then receive no sign from the person asking the question that they have even read it. We are not after effusive thanks for doing something that we enjoy doing, but some acknowledgement, such as clicking on 'like' or writing 'That cleared it up/I understand now' would not come amiss. For me, thanking in advance does not mean that nothing else is required.

  5. #5
    Mary Bright is offline Junior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Belarus
      • Current Location:
      • Belarus
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    96
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    Quote Originally Posted by nyota View Post
    I've always been uneasy about "thanking somebody in advance". I read it may be considered a bit rude as it suggests you're not eager to produce a follow-up response and also, it sort of assumes you'll get an answer. ;)
    I do apologize then for using it, for I personally meant nothing but thanking everyone who who would answer my questions for their part.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyota View Post
    Yet I think that a lot of users in this forum end their queries this way precisely for the opposite reason - they want to be polite. I've never seen any of the teachers or NESs complain about how the phrase is used here (I must admit I didn't do any thread digging though) but maybe you're just being understanding and polite yourself?
    I think this is a good thread to create, cuz', dare to assert, the majority of English learners do not know about this particular meaning of 'in advance' and 'beforehand', yet no one really wants to be impolite, just the opposite.

  6. #6
    Mary Bright is offline Junior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Belarus
      • Current Location:
      • Belarus
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    96
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I, personally, don't regard it as impolite. I appreciate the polite thought behind the words.

    What does make me less than happy sometimes is when members give some thought to an answer and then receive no sign from the person asking the question that they have even read it. We are not after effusive thanks for doing something that we enjoy doing, but some acknowledgement, such as clicking on 'like' or writing 'That cleared it up/I understand now' would not come amiss. For me, thanking in advance does not mean that nothing else is required.
    Fair enough. Such 'thanks' are really rude, considering the part you, English teachers and those who do not teach but just want to help, take in our jams with English.

    The thought I just thought (hope I can say that ) that there might be some shy learners or learners who do not know how to thank in a proper way. So they prefer not to say anything than to say something awkward and that will be inappropriate. Of course, it doesn't justify every learner who acts this way. Just there may be some exceptions

    And then, won't you get tired of reading every time when discussing some matter with an English learner, 'thank you', 'thank you', 'thank you' after every respond of yours?

  7. #7
    Barb_D's Avatar
    Barb_D is offline Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Other
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    16,295
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    It's not the "thanks" that are important -- it's knowing that what was written was understood and was helpful.

    The person can "like" or just write "Got it! " and we'll know.

    I also have no problem with "thanks in advance." I use it at work all the time, and I always respond after the person has sent whatever I've asked for with another thank you.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

  8. #8
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj is offline VIP Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    28,169
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    Quote Originally Posted by Mary Bright View Post
    And then, won't you get tired of reading every time when discussing some matter with an English learner, 'thank you', 'thank you', 'thank you' after every respond of yours?
    That's why the chance to click on like is so useful. It takes no time to do, and the message takes no time to read. It is a simple acknowledgement.

    Of course, acknowledgement of every exchange in an on-going dialogue is unnecessary and, sometimes, inappropriate- the fact that you are responding to an answer is in itself an acknowledgement that you have read the answer. As your post #6 was a response to my #4, I would be surprised if you clicked like on #4.

    I must add that I do NOT expect thanks for what I do, and I am sure that most people in this forum don't either. We take part in this forum because we enjoy it.It is just that sometimes I give a detailed answer to a question. When I look back a few hours later to see if there is a follow-up question, there is no sign that my answer has been read. I then look back the following day, and then a couple of days later, and still no sign. I begin to wonder if it was worth answering - perhaps the person who asked just posted the question and forgot it. That's when the
    like tell me that I didn't waste my time.

    ps. while I was writing this, Barb posted a similar, and much more concise, message.

  9. #9
    Mary Bright is offline Junior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Belarus
      • Current Location:
      • Belarus
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    96
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    I've just created the thread concerning this, but want to say some words in response.

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    That's why the chance to click on like is so useful. It takes no time to do, and the message takes no time to read. It is a simple acknowledgement.
    I can't say for other learners, but personally I took the like sign as literally 'I like what you wrote here'. Of course, now I understand its another meaning, too. But initially, I just was making guesses about what it really meant .

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Of course, acknowledgement of every exchange in an on-going dialogue is unnecessary and, sometimes, inappropriate- the fact that you are responding to an answer is in itself an acknowledgement that you have read the answer. As your post #6 was a response to my #4, I would be surprised if you clicked [U]like[/U on[COLOR=Black] #4.
    It would just mean 'I like it' or 'Agree'

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I must add that I do NOT expect thanks for what I do, and I am sure that most people in this forum don't either. We take part in this forum because we enjoy it.
    Even if it is, I believe that all kinds of assistance, especially those ones that concern teaching, must be thanked for. Of course, this is just my point of view, but everyone has found himself in this respond-to-a-question situation at least once, so everyone must understand what it is.

  10. #10
    joham is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    1,450
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: in advance/beforehand

    Never eat a piece of fruit without washing it beforehand.
    The sentence above is taken from LONGMAN DICTIONARY OF AMERICAN ENGLISH.
    Can we say 'Never eat a piece of fruit without washing it in advance'?
    I'm still confused by these two words. Could you help me again?


    Thank you in advance.

Similar Threads

  1. Thanks in advance.
    By zzang418lee in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 21-Jan-2011, 20:53
  2. thanks in advance!!!
    By sympathy in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 15-Jan-2008, 08:27
  3. Advance
    By Belly T in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 22-Mar-2007, 18:04
  4. Thank you in advance
    By kohyoongliat in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 14-Jan-2007, 14:01
  5. Thanks in advance..............
    By eangelica2 in forum Editing & Writing Topics
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 25-Sep-2006, 17:47

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Hotchalk