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    Hello teachers!
    There are different phonetics of a single word then how can we identify it that which phonetic is going to use.
    Phonetic is the biggest problem for me in english.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Default Re: Phonetics

    I think the best way for now is that you look up more frequently in the dictionary. There are phonetic parts right beside every word. And after a period of time getting used to phonetic signs in dictionary, you'll be able to recognize a lot of words and can even have your own experience of how to recognize them ;)

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    If more than one phonetic transcription is given in a dictionary, then it is possible to pronounce the word in more than one way. Dictionaries usually list the most common pronunciation first.

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    Hmmmmm
    Right guys I will try this.thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by zainab shah View Post
    Hello teachers!
    There are different phonetics of a single word then how can we identify it that which phonetic is going to use.
    Phonetic is the biggest problem for me in english.
    Thanks in advance.
    It would help if we had an example or two (or three) to work from so that we could look at the pattern (the reason for the various pronunciations). Do you have a specific dictionary listing (word) in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    It would help if we had an example or two (or three) to work from so that we could look at the pattern (the reason for the various pronunciations). Do you have a specific dictionary listing (word) in mind?
    There are various words having a lot of phonetics but for the sake to understand let us have a look at the phonetics of " Necessity" a very common word with different phonetics like
    1- nɪˈsɛsɪtɪ
    2- nəˈsesəti
    3- nə'səsiti etc
    now which one is correct althogh we can pronounce it as we like by using any phonetic from these but when our youngers ask us then what we should say.It can create a bad impression of them on english .they will obviously say "we don't need to learn phonetic, we will pronounce as we like"I am saying this because my younger brother said to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zainab shah View Post
    1- nɪˈsɛsɪtɪ
    2- nəˈsesəti
    3- nə'səsiti etc
    The unstressed first and second syllables can be pronounced /ɪ/, /ə/ or somewhere between. The stressed second syllable is pronounced with the same vowel that we hear in 'stress'. Some people use the symbol /ɛ/ for this phoneme, others /e/. I consider the use of schwa for this syllable in #3 incorrect. The unstressed final syllable can be /ɪ/, /i /, or somewhere between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zainab shah View Post
    1- nɪˈsɛsɪtɪ
    2- nəˈsesəti
    3- nə'səsiti etc
    The first one nɪˈsɛsɪtɪ is fairly standard and it's how I pronounce necessity. I also pronounce it nəˈsɛsɪtɪ, with schwa (ə), a common phonetic variation, which surprisingly isn't an option provided above.

    The other two pronunciations (2- and 3-) sound odd to me. I wonder if others could join in and help us figure out which dialect of English 2- and 3- are representative of.

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    #1 and #2 are both standard BrE pronunciations, if we accept that /ɛ/ and /e/ represent the same vowel. I learnt the first symbol when I studied phonetics in the 1960s and early 70s. When I came back to it in the 90s, most British writers had changed to the second. I believe that the first is preferred by North American phoneticians. Similarly, the /ɪ/ we used to use for the terminal -y has been replaced by the non-phonemic /i /. #3 looks distinctly odd to me, and does not represent any British dialect that I know. The idea of having a stressed schwa syllable appears almost a contradiction in terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    #1 and #2 are both standard BrE pronunciations, if we accept that /ɛ/ and /e/ represent the same vowel.
    Do dictionaries do that, use two symbols for the same sound? Talk about inconsistency. No wonder the poster is confused. I'd be confused too if that were the case. I don't see it being the case though. The second pronunciation has /e/, as in said, which sounds like someone from Mississippi (USA), at least to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    #3 looks distinctly odd to me, and does not represent any British dialect that I know.
    You see, I would have pegged it for BrE. It sounds so very ...British.

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