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    Default in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    Does this expression work both with and without the article?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    Does this expression work both with and without the article? Yes.

    Thank you in advance.

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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    IN MY OPINION, ABSTRACT NOUNS CAN GENERALLY EXIST WITHOUT ARTICLES. HOWEVER, THEY CAN SOMETIMES BE USED WITH ARTICLES FOR SPECIFICATION OR EMPHASIS.eg words like love, anger,emergency can be used both with and without articles...love is a most inexpressible phenomenon.The love of a mother is priceless.A good soldier must prepare for emergency/cies.A malfunctioning alarm system is an emergency.Fire can break out anywhere.It took us days to put out the fire

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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    rhapsomatrics, don't make the common mistake of confusing an abstract noun with a non-countable noun.

    A dream is abstract, but it still is countable and requires an article.
    Love is abstract and not countable (unless modified -- a love surpassing all others).
    A fire is concrete (you can smell, see, hear, and feel it), and it has both a countable (need an article) and non-countable sense.
    Luggage is quite concrete, but not countable.

    There are many countable, abstract nouns that won't read as well-written English if you leave out the article.

    If you were telling someone later "She dealt with the emergency very professionally" you need the article.

    The original works because it's an abbreviated style, like a headline.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    [QUOTE=Barb_D;734060]rhapsomatrics, don't make the common mistake of confusing an abstract noun with a non-countable noun.

    WITH DUE RESPECT,I THINK YOUR LAST POST WAS A LITTLE NONDESCRIPT AS I AM YET TO SPOT ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY EXAMPLES AND YOUR PLETHORA OF SOMEWHAT REPETITIVE EXAMPLES, SAFE FOR A RATHER DISTURBING REPRESENTATION.NONE OF THE WORDS I USED IS A NON-COUNT NOUN...ANGER,LOVE,EMERGENCY AND EVEN FIRE(THOUGH I NEVER GAVE FIRE AS AN EXAMPLE OF ABSTRACT NOUN) read my uneditted post again

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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by rhapsomatrics View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    rhapsomatrics, don't make the common mistake of confusing an abstract noun with a non-countable noun.

    WITH DUE RESPECT,I THINK YOUR LAST POST WAS A LITTLE NONDESCRIPT AS I AM YET TO SPOT ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY EXAMPLES AND YOUR PLETHORA OF SOMEWHAT REPETITIVE EXAMPLES, SAFE FOR A RATHER DISTURBING REPRESENTATION.NONE OF THE WORDS I USED IS A NON-COUNT NOUN...ANGER,LOVE,EMERGENCY AND EVEN FIRE(THOUGH I NEVER GAVE FIRE AS AN EXAMPLE OF ABSTRACT NOUN) read my uneditted post again
    rhapsomatrics, your obvious passion is commendable but might I suggest pressing the CapsLock key once, typing in proper sentences (possibly even including some breaks in your wall of text), relaxing, and adopting a less hostile tone?

    cheers


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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    I looked at a sign here... it says ' In case of Emergency' call -
    so it's one of those phrases that has been accepted into the language, grammatically correct or not.

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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by rhapsomatrics View Post
    YOUR LAST POST WAS A LITTLE NONDESCRIPT
    'Nondescript' is hardly an appropriate word for what strikes me as a useful clarification of something that often causes confusion. Incidentally, the word is normally used for the appearance of something, not its content.

    It would be easier to read your posts if you turned off Caps Lock.

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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    [QUOTE=Barb_D;734060]rhapsomatrics, don't make the common mistake of confusing an abstract noun with a non-countable noun.

    A dream is abstract, but it still is countable and requires an article.
    Love is abstract and not countable (unless modified -- a love surpassing all others).
    A fire is concrete (you can smell, see, hear, and feel it) I DON NOT THINK FIRE CAN EVER BE CONCRETE(THOUGH YOU CAN HEAR,SMELL AND FEEL IT YET YOU CANNOT TOUCH HOLD OR HANDLE IT)

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    Default Re: in case of fire/a fire/emergency/an emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by rhapsomatrics View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    rhapsomatrics, don't make the common mistake of confusing an abstract noun with a non-countable noun.

    A dream is abstract, but it still is countable and requires an article.
    Love is abstract and not countable (unless modified -- a love surpassing all others).
    A fire is concrete (you can smell, see, hear, and feel it) I DON NOT THINK FIRE CAN EVER BE CONCRETE(THOUGH YOU CAN HEAR,SMELL AND FEEL IT YET YOU CANNOT TOUCH HOLD OR HANDLE IT)
    Concrete doesn't mean "something you can hold". Atoms are concrete. Jupiter is concrete. I never held either.

    Concrete means that it has physical properties. Fire is definitely concrete.

    And you can definitely touch fire. It might hurt though.

    And, one last thing, STOP TYPING IN CAPS -- IT'S RUDE.

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