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    Default Re: BrE slang or informal term for "Listless", please?

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    Why is "lackadaisical" wrong?
    By the definitions I gave in post #2, lackadaisical is wrong - for me. However, as I said in post #4, my definitions may not be acceptable to many people. I was hoping that some native speakers would comment on my definitions.

    I say 'native speakers' because I think that this is a question of feeling for one's own language. I know that many dictionaries disagree with me.

    ps. In my 'Reason for Editing (post #4) I think that 'listless' would be wrong.

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    Default Re: BrE slang or informal term for "Listless", please?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    By the definitions I gave in post #2, lackadaisical is wrong - for me. However, as I said in post #4, my definitions may not be acceptable to many people. I was hoping that some native speakers would comment on my definitions.

    I say 'native speakers' because I think that this is a question of feeling for one's own language. I know that many dictionaries disagree with me.

    ps. In my 'Reason for Editing (post #4) I think that 'listless' would be wrong.
    But can't George lack care and attention after a loss? Many people become indifferent to the world after losing something or someone they loved.

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    Default Re: BrE slang or informal term for "Listless", please?

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    But can't George lack care and attention after a loss? Many people become indifferent to the world after losing something or someone they loved.
    Yes, he can. It's just that in my understanding and use of the words, 'lackadaisical' has a suggestion of laziness or disorganisation, whilst 'listlessness' is possibly a result of some physical or emotional disturbance.

    I note that Raymott did not mention 'lackadaisical' when he wrote, "You used to be able to say 'fagged' or 'fagged out' for listless". Apart from that, there has not been the slightest indication that anybody else agrees with me, so I have to conclude that I have imagined a difference which does not in fact exist.

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    Default Re: BrE slang or informal term for "Listless", please?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Yes, he can. It's just that in my understanding and use of the words, 'lackadaisical' has a suggestion of laziness or disorganisation, whilst 'listlessness' is possibly a result of some physical or emotional disturbance.

    I note that Raymott did not mention 'lackadaisical' when he wrote, "You used to be able to say 'fagged' or 'fagged out' for listless". Apart from that, there has not been the slightest indication that anybody else agrees with me, so I have to conclude that I have imagined a difference which does not in fact exist.
    In principle I agree on not using it with your 2nd sentence: George is recovering from his loss, but he is still rather listless. It seems strange to me to put lackadaisical with recovering from a loss.

    But, it's very hard to justify this or discuss this because lackadaisical is not a word any normal person would say, at least in my milieu. I don't think I've ever heard someone actually say this word in RL. And if they did, I'd think it was word-of-the-day on their calendar.

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    Default Re: BrE slang or informal term for "Listless", please?

    Quote Originally Posted by freezeframe View Post
    But, it's very hard to justify this or discuss this because lackadaisical is not a word any normal person would say, at least in my milieu.
    I would certainly not claim that it's a word commonly used, but I hear/see, and use, it often enough to feel that I understood its nuances. I make no assertions about my own normality, but my colleagues who use it appear normal enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I would certainly not claim that it's a word commonly used, but I hear/see, and use, it often enough to feel that I understood its nuances. I make no assertions about my own normality, but my colleagues who use it appear normal enough.
    Appearances can be deceiving.

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    Default Re: BrE slang or informal term for "Listless", please?

    Lackadaisical carries a sense of unwillingness, lack of responsibility, so I wouldn't use it for grief.

    (Sorry for unnecessary post- I hadn't seen the second page when I wrote it)

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    Default Re: BrE slang or informal term for "Listless", please?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    Lackadaisical carries a sense of unwillingness, lack of responsibility, so I wouldn't use it for grief.

    (Sorry for unnecessary post- I hadn't seen the second page when I wrote it)
    Don't apologise! Welcome - It seems I am not alone in my thoughts about this word.

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    Default Re: BrE slang or informal term for "Listless", please?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    Lackadaisical carries a sense of unwillingness, lack of responsibility, so I wouldn't use it for grief.

    (Sorry for unnecessary post- I hadn't seen the second page when I wrote it)
    And you're not the first person who's posted what seemed like a novel and interesting opinion at the end of a thread before realising that there was a whole other page!

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