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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    The tense of the verb gives the meaning, future tense indicates tomorrow and past tense indicates yesterday.
    Very interesting. I'd like to know more about this but I'll probably open a new thread if I get motivated enough.

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    #12

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    But don't use the present perfect with a specific time in the past. I acknowledged that I received... yesterday, not I have received... yesterday.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    That's an interesting note about language and culture. Is that why India and Pakistan needed English before they made any progress?
    I suppose it's a matter of opinion whether what English has given them can be seen as progress or not. I look at it this way, "kal" means "not today", the tense of the verb and the context tell us whether it is yesterday or tomorrow that is being referred to. It suggests, I think, an attitude of: today, now, is important, yesterday is gone and tomorrow may not arrive.
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    #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    I suppose it's a matter of opinion whether what English has given them can be seen as progress or not. I look at it this way, "kal" means "not today", the tense of the verb and the context tell us whether it is yesterday or tomorrow that is being referred to. It suggests, I think, an attitude of: today, now, is important, yesterday is gone and tomorrow may not arrive.
    Yes, I didn't mean necessarily English. I meant any vocabulary that differentiated tomorrow from yesterday in a way that would lead to a stronger concept that tomorrow could be "better" than yesterday, and thus lead to the concept of 'progress'. But, as we've seen recently, it's difficult to discuss language and culture and whether there's a link between a certain language and the way people think. It can tend to get political, though that wasn't my intention. I wouldn't go as far as to say that Gandhi advocated an unchanging agrarian peasant lifestyle simply because he used the same word for yesterday and tomorrow - though Whorfian theorists and other linguists might, within the safety of their specialised avenues of discourse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    But, as we've seen recently, it's difficult to discuss language and culture and whether there's a link between a certain language and the way people think. It can tend to get political, though that wasn't my intention.
    Can tend to get so that's how you can make "tend to" even more subtle.

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    #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I wouldn't go as far as to say that Gandhi advocated an unchanging agrarian peasant lifestyle simply because he used the same word for yesterday and tomorrow
    In some ways he no more used the 'same word for today and tomorrow' than we use the 'same word for regular and future flying' in:

    I fly to London four times a year.
    I fly to London next Wednesday.


    'fly' + general-time adverbial = general-fly
    'fly + future-time adverbial = future-fly

    In Hindi and Urdu:

    'not-today' (kal) + future tense = future not-today
    'not-today (kal) + past tense = past not-today.

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    #17

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    I am closing this thread, it is no longer serving any useful purpose.

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