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    1.Is "draw a recognizable image" a real acting of drawing a picture or extraction of images in dream mentally? If the assumption is animals can draw a picture, how can they draw with their paws?
    2. Is "their only images" what they made or the images of them? Is it a mental image or actually drawn images?
    These two are really confusing, please help me!

    ex)A scientific research found out that even animals dream.......No other animal has ever been observed to draw a recognizable image spontaneously in the wild. In fact, their only images have been produced under carefullly controlled laboratory conditions. The images tell us more about the experimenter than they do about arts......

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    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    1.Is "draw a recognizable image" a real acting of drawing a picture or extraction of images in dream mentally? If the assumption is animals can draw a picture, how can they draw with their paws?
    2. Is "their only images" what they made or the images of them? Is it a mental image or actually drawn images?
    These two are really confusing, please help me!

    ex)A scientific research found out that even animals dream.......No other animal has ever been observed to draw a recognizable image spontaneously in the wild. In fact, their only images have been produced under carefullly controlled laboratory conditions. The images tell us more about the experimenter than they do about arts......
    Why did you omit the sentences that comes before this and that make the passage's meaning clear?

    Clearly, however, there is a profound difference between human and animal imagination. Humans are the only creatures who can tell one another about imagination in stories or pictures. The urge to make art is unique to us. No other animal has ever been observed to draw a recognizable image spontaneously in the wild. In fact, their only images have been produced under carefully controlled laboratory conditions that tell us more about the experimenter than they do about art.
    Humans can create aesthetic objects, such as drawings and paintings and animals can't. Wild animals have not been seen (observed) to create any kind of image that is recognizable (that appears to be meaningful/representation of something). Animals that have created images/paintings (such as the famous cases of chimpanzee or elephant artists) have only done so in the controlled environment of a laboratory or zoo (conditions created by humans).

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeframe View Post
    Why did you omit the sentences that comes before this and that make the passage's meaning clear?

    Humans can create aesthetic objects, such as drawings and paintings and animals can't. Wild animals have not been seen (observed) to create any kind of image that is recognizable (that appears to be meaningful/representation of something). Animals that have created images/paintings (such as the famous cases of chimpanzee or elephant artists) have only done so in the controlled environment of a laboratory or zoo (conditions created by humans).
    I really appreciate your great effort to find the original paragraph, actually this is from my student's material, I coudn't photocopy all of them, so I just wrote down some in my notebook.
    Does it mean there are some paintings by some animals? I don't know what kind of artworks they are...I have never heard of them, but it seems to be true according to your explanation.

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    Yes. This is usually covered in introductory classes on philosophy of art: can we consider artifacts created by animals to be art.

    Here are some examples. Note that the images are mostly abstract in nature:

    Elephants: The Elephant Art Gallery - What is Elephant Art?

    Chimpanzee: Congo (chimpanzee) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dog: Tillamook Cheddar

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeframe View Post
    Yes. This is usually covered in introductory classes on philosophy of art: can we consider artifacts created by animals to be art.

    Here are some examples. Note that the images are mostly abstract in nature:

    Elephants: The Elephant Art Gallery - What is Elephant Art?

    Chimpanzee: Congo (chimpanzee) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dog: Tillamook Cheddar
    But how is it related to dreaming of animals?

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    You imagine something, then you draw it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeframe View Post
    You imagine something, then you draw it...
    It was so simple, I was like a mono-cell animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    It was so simple, I was like a mono-cell animal.
    LOL

    That made me laugh.

    Sometimes we don't see the obvious answer. This happens very often to academics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeframe View Post
    Yes. This is usually covered in introductory classes on philosophy of art: can we consider artifacts created by animals to be art.

    And in music, there's the Thai Elephant Orchestra: Thai Elephant Orchestra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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