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    Default Conjunctions 'as'

    Hi, Dear anyone who could help me out!

    I have a question regarding 'Conjunction.'
    I know that most of conjunctions work as an 'adverb'
    ex) When in roman, do as romans do.
    in this sentence, 'as' and 'when' are adverbial conjunction.
    I also know that there is 'noun-functioned' conjunction such as 'that'
    ex) I know 'that you are here' .

    ----------------------------------------------QUESTION----------------------------------------------------
    Anyway, what I truly want to ask is,
    "Is it strange for the conjunction to function as adjective and describe noun?" (except for 'relative pronouns or adverbs')
    (I don't think it is strange) Am I right?

    I mean, conjunction is literally the one which connects phrase to phrase sentence to sentence, or phrase to sentence.

    EX) At the same time as/that he ran out of money, he was fired from his job

    in this case, the conjunction "as" describes noun (last time, I posted this question, and those who, thankfully, answered, said 'yes')
    [B][I]If it describes noun, Think it's okay to say 'as~' is an adjective clause? Am I right?

    I think there's no reason to say conjunctions can not describe noun
    It's just , I think, there are very few conjunctions that can describe noun. Am I correct?,
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'm asking because One person ( would appreciate if you answer me) said, when I posted this question, "it is indeed strange to use conjunction when referring to noun".
    But Come to think of it , I don't think it's strange anymore.
    Hope anyone could answer me please!!
    Last edited by learnerr; 09-May-2011 at 17:51.

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    Default Re: Conjunctions 'as'

    Thank you for replying TheParser
    I always appreciate for your help.

    It is definitely true that 'as' could be used as relative pronoun.
    and examples you gave is absolutely true.
    However,
    in case of
    "At the same time as he ran out of money"

    'as' can not be used as relative pronoun, which means it can not be
    replaced by 'which'

    Think about it : the clause following ( he ran out of money) 'as'
    do not need any object or subject. , Thus there's no need of any relative pronoun.

    I think it would have been more appropriate if you said 'as' is relative adverb.

    But I'm definitely not sure if it could be used as relative adverb.
    Furthermore, I know and learned that as/that could be omitted, but I think including as/that is ordinary full sentence.


    So my ultimate question is
    1. It is not strange that conjunctions themselves describe noun and work as adjective
    (As I mentioned; Except for relative pronouns/adverbs)
    Is it right?

    2. The clause followed by 'as' in the example I gave is an adjective clause
    Is it right?

    All I want to know is those.
    Last edited by learnerr; 09-May-2011 at 21:44.

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    Default Re: Conjunctions 'as'

    NOT A TEACHER


    (1) You are an excellent student, for you keep asking until you are satisfied. People

    join usingenglish.com every day, so sooner or later, you will find someone who gives

    you a satisfactory answer.

    *****

    (2) I shall try one more time. I PROMISE not to answer this question again!!!

    (I shall be using some of the same material that I used in that thread a few

    weeks ago.)

    *****

    (3) Here is your sentence:

    At the same time AS HE RAN OUT OF MONEY, he was fired.

    You have two questions:

    (a) Is "as he ran out of money" an adjective clause?

    (b) What part of speech is "as"?

    *****

    (4) Look at these two sentences from the books written by two of the greatest

    grammarians ever:

    He sits in the same row AS WE DO. (from Professor George O. Curme's masterpiece)

    We rode the same way AS WE HAD COME OUT THE EVENING BEFORE. (from Professor Otto

    Jespersen's masterpiece)

    Like your sentence, they both contain the word "same" and -- most important --

    the "as" is NEITHER subject NOR object. You could delete the "as" without any problem.

    Do you agree that they are similar to your sentence?

    If you do not, then you should stop reading this post; if you do, please proceed.

    *****

    (5) Both Professors Curme and Jespersen agree with you: their sentences contain

    a relative clause. As you know, "relative clause" is just an elegant way to say

    "adjective clause." So the answer to your first question is YES.

    (6) What part of speech is "as"?

    (a) Professor Curme calls it a relative pronoun in his sentence above.

    (b) But Professor Jespersen agrees with you!!! It is not a relative pronoun. What is

    it? He calls it a "Connective (relative) particle." Those three words -- including the

    word in parentheses -- are his, not mine. And what is a "connective relative

    particle"? I have no idea. But he seems to feel that it is something like a conjunction.



    Respectfully yours,


    James


    P.S. If no one else replies, just post a similar question in a new thread. (Of course,

    change your sentence.) Sooner or later, someone will give you a good answer.

    Best of luck.


    James

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