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    Default Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by symaa View Post
    Thank you teacher,
    My teacher said the sound ɑ like bat, but the transcription of bat is /bt/.Really this diagram disturb me.
    By the way I like British accent,it is very pretty.
    All the best
    Your teacher is in error, if he really said that.

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    Unhappy Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    Your teacher is in error, if he really said that.
    Thank you teacher for your interest

    He just pronounce the word and I think there is in English only bat and but.

    So could you please explain me the difference between
    and ɑ
    if there are some examples which could simplify to me this diagram I would be very happy
    I am extremly disturbed with this vowel diagram



    NB: we study British pronunciation

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    Default Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by symaa View Post
    Thank you teacher for your interest

    He just pronounce the word and I think there is in English only bat and but.

    So could you please explain me the difference between
    and ɑ
    if there are some examples which could simplify to me this diagram I would be very happy
    I am extremly disturbed with this vowel diagram



    NB: we study British pronunciation
    My opinion is that you don't need ɑ for transcribing general British English. He's either saying 'bat' /bt/ or 'but' /bʌt/.
    ɑ is on the other side of ʌ from .
    Since ɑ isn't necessary (it's not even in the Australian Macquarie Dictionary IPA pronunication guide - we use ʌ ), it's difficult to give examples with ɑ.
    You can use it for Italian 'pasta' /pɑstɑ/
    I've never used it to transcribe English.

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    Default Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    My opinion is that you don't need ɑ for transcribing general British English. He's either saying 'bat' /bt/ or 'but' /bʌt/.
    ɑ is on the other side of ʌ from .
    Since ɑ isn't necessary (it's not even in the Australian Macquarie Dictionary IPA pronunication guide - we use ʌ ), it's difficult to give examples with ɑ.
    You can use it for Italian 'pasta' /pɑstɑ/
    I've never used it to transcribe English.
    Thank you very much for your reply
    So if it is not necesssary why they include it in the english vowel diagram, perhaps it means ɑ: as in arm, anyway thank you for your help teacher,and excuse me if I bother you.
    Regards

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    Default Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Perhaps the teacher was talking about Thai currency - or Homer's son. Doh

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    Default Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Perhaps the teacher was talking about Thai currency - or Homer's son. Doh

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    what's?
    Linguistic is very complicated
    All the best my teacher

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    Default Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Sorry . It was a joke. The Thai unit of currency is Thai baht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and Homer's son is Bart Simpson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Talking Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Sorry . It was a joke. The Thai unit of currency is Thai baht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and Homer's son is Bart Simpson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Before I posted I have looked for the meaning in the internet, but I do not understand, you seems that you have a merry personality.
    I am a clever student hahaa
    Best wishes

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    Default Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by symaa View Post
    Before I posted I have looked for the meaning in the internet, but I do not understand, you seems that you have a merry personality.
    I am a clever student hahaa
    Best wishes
    In any case, that would be /ba:t/ or /bart/ if you're rhotic (for the second), not /bɑ:t/ or /bɑrt/.

    You'll also note that the official IPA vowel chart places ɑ and ʌ in difference places. And your teachers chart seems to be missing the /a/, which is traditional below the . He's apparently using /ɑ/ for /a/, which is fine as long as everyone knows what's going on (and realises that it's not traditional IPA). He still can't transcibe 'cat' as /kɑt/ though, if that's the case.

    Here's a proper IPA chart:
    http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/5/5a/20060825195333!IPA_vowel_chart_2005.png&imgrefurl= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPA_vowel_chart_2005.png&h=641&w=797&sz=32&tb nid=6XljW6PUjVOlpM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=143&prev=/search%3Fq%3DIPA%2Bvowel%2Bchart%26tbm%3Disch%26tb o%3Du&zoom=1&q=IPA+vowel+chart&hl=en&usg=___Q6Rifa mIMV7pS7nb-HocbqQDjo=&sa=X&ei=FOTSTa_PDYPOrQeTzKWrCQ&sqi=2&ve d=0CD4Q9QEwBg
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    Default Re: Question about English vowel diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    My opinion is that you don't need ɑ for transcribing general British English.
    I don't think this is right. [ɑ:] is present in RP in words like "father", "far", "path", "laugh". The sound is apparently not present in AusE, this chart says.

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